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anyone pull with a JD powershift?

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ih460puller

03-10-2006 18:39:30




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Will it hold up as good as a quadrange or syncrorange.




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towtractor

03-11-2006 11:37:02




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 Re: anyone pull with a JD powershift? in reply to ih460puller, 03-10-2006 18:39:30  
wouldn't be a deere if it didn't need a tow!



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G/MAN

03-11-2006 07:41:11




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 Re: anyone pull with a JD powershift? in reply to ih460puller, 03-10-2006 18:39:30  
As good or better, providing it's in good shape to start with. In good shape, properly maintained and with sufficient system pressure, they're pretty darn bulletproof.



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dctom

03-11-2006 09:37:16




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 Re: anyone pull with a JD powershift? in reply to G/MAN, 03-11-2006 07:41:11  
DONT THINK HE PLANS ON SHOOTING AT IT, WANTS TO PULL WITH IT LMFAO



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G/MAN

03-11-2006 10:53:04




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 Re: anyone pull with a JD powershift? in reply to dctom, 03-11-2006 09:37:16  
Yeah, I guess. The good thing about a Deere powershift, is that unlike a Case powershift, you can afford to rebuild the Deere units, and don't end up with a power UNIT out of the deal...



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Lamont

03-11-2006 12:39:32




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 Re: anyone pull with a JD powershift? in reply to G/MAN, 03-11-2006 10:53:04  
By the time you rebuild both ends of the Deere, you'll spend about twice as much as just reworking the Case rear-end. Someone should've figured out how to repower the Deeres with the Case engines. They lasted about 3 times as long as the Deere engines and burned about 2/3 of the fuel. Guess that would probably pay for the extra cost of rebuilding the transmission on the Cases. I had a cousin that I just couldn't figure out. He had a 2390 Case and JD 4640. He whined about the Case because he spent about 5 grand on it twice on the rearend. The last bill alone on the 4640 was a little over 12 grand by the time he went from front to rear on it. That was the 2nd engine rebuild on the JD. The 2390 engine hadn't been touched and had about 500 more hours than the Deere. It just doesn't make sense.

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G/MAN

03-12-2006 14:30:54




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 Re: anyone pull with a JD powershift? in reply to Lamont, 03-11-2006 12:39:32  
I've got a good idea I've been into quite a few Deere powershifts - from "front to back", and haven't spent $12,000 on one yet - be it an 8-speed OR 15-speed. You can REPLACE the clutch pack and planetary brake packs complete with new assemblies out of the box for well under that. So whoever dropped $12,000 in one probably dinked around running up a big labor bill replacing a piece here, a piece there and so on. Stupid. I also haven't seen a Deere put out to pasture yet because of a tranny failure, while I've seen two or three Cases made into power units because the guy didn't want to drop the coin to rebuild the scrapped-out tranny. Put a dollar figure on the relative value of the tractor as a whole, and the situation changes dramatically. Case engine "lst 2-3 times" as long as Deere engines and burn 2/3 the fuel? Doing what? That's about the typical broad generalization that is so often seen...

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Lamont

03-12-2006 15:22:09




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 Re: anyone pull with a JD powershift? in reply to G/MAN, 03-12-2006 14:30:54  
By "front to back" I meant the engine, transmission, brakes, axle bearings and seals, etc. You know, front to back. The fuel usage and work done by these tractors was not a generalization. It's fact. The same cousin owned a 2590 and a 4840. The 4840 would simply not do the work the 2590 would. But the transmission was the weak spot twice in about 8500 hours. I couldn't see that that was any bigger deal than having to rebuild the engine twice on the 4840 in just over 9000 hours. My grandfather and father both had Case tractors farming right beside our neighbors. We were usually pulling bigger loads and always using less fuel. Even the old 930 Case wouldn't burn near as much as 4020 JD. The 930 was pulling a 15 foot 3 pt. grain drill and our neighbor was pulling a 12 ft. He always had to tank up about 2 o'clock in the afternoon. The 930 NEVER burned a tank in a 16 hour day pulling the drill. The old 1170/1175s would kick a 4440 JD's tail day in and out as would a 1370 make a 4640 cry. The 2290, 2390, and 2590 stood even taller. I'll agree the 90 series transmissions are rediculously expensive to work on. Any HONEST person will admit the Case engines were far superior to the John Deere. If Case would have had a 1/2 decent marketing department, they would have buried John Deere. John Deere definately had the best marketing and still does today. Nothing will change the FACTS that John Deere during the time we're discussing used more fuel, cost more to maintain over their life, and didn't last as long when compared to Case.

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G/MAN

03-13-2006 10:46:07




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 Re: anyone pull with a JD powershift? in reply to Lamont, 03-12-2006 15:22:09  
Like I said, vast generalization, comparing a complete rebuild on one powertrain to a few repairs to one portion of another. You'd better find somebody else to overhaul those Deere engines if you can't get any more than 4500 hours out of one. Or maybe try some service and maintenance. And no, I won't hand any Case engine praise over a Deere engine. Besides the post above, I can provide verifiable instances where Deere engines have run 50,000+ and 70,000+ hours with no overhaul. It's all about maintenance. The Case engine was outdate, too large and heavy for its displacement and power, and that's why they Case entered the joint venture with Cummins to produce the "B" and "C" engines, rather than reinvest in replacing the worn-out tooling for the 504.

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Marty Mich

03-13-2006 16:02:59




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 Re: anyone pull with a JD powershift? in reply to G/MAN, 03-13-2006 10:46:07  
Please provide me with ANY instance of ANY farm troctor going 70000 hours,let alone a deere.It's not going to happen.That would be comparable to a semi averaging 50 mph and lasting 3 and a half million miles.We all hear of all the folklore,but noone can ever provide any proof.



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G/MAN - or better yet...

03-13-2006 16:56:22




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 Re: anyone pull with a JD powershift? in reply to Marty Mich, 03-13-2006 16:02:59  
Here's some "proof" of the "lore": Google this: "54,587 hours of non-stop action" and take a little look-see at the top link. Not the link to the 50,000+ 4045T engine I mentioned (I can find that if you still want some more crow), but proof enough of what Deere engines can do.



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G/MAN

03-13-2006 16:45:28




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 Re: anyone pull with a JD powershift? in reply to Marty Mich, 03-13-2006 16:02:59  
I didn't say it was a farm tractor. I said it was a Deere engine, and the engine in question was a Deere 6076 running a gen-set up in Alaska at a remote fishing village. The 50,000+ hour I mentioned was a Deere 4045T operating the refrigeration plant and some accessory systems on a commercial fishing vessel, once again in Alaska. The article was in Deere's Marine Power-Source magazine a few years back. If you'd like to eat crow, post your address and I'll mail you copies.

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Marty Michigan

03-18-2006 18:05:58




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 Re: anyone pull with a JD powershift? in reply to G/MAN, 03-13-2006 16:45:28  
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After following along with this post,one might be inclined to believe that the topic of this discussion was about tractors.If being mislead means I've eaten a portion of crow,well,I hope it was well cooked and well seasoned.As for an engine running that many hours in those applications,thats entirely believable.An old friend of mine from Howard City Mi has an old Hercules(I believe)single cylinder 25 hp engine that ran continiously(with the exception of scheduled maintenence)on an oil rig from 1927 until 1977.Under this application, as well as the ones you've described,the true nature of an engines durability cannot be accurately measured.Since this discussion revolves around tractors,I once again challenge you to find a Deere or any other brand for that matter that has 70000 verifiable hours on it.It's not gonna' happen!The oldest tractor on our farm is a Deere 4055 with almost 17000 hours on it.It has led a very easy life on a mixer wagon until 6 years ago when we had to retire it because it would not handle our new one.This tractor has never been touched.However,it will not last another 1000 hours,as it burns a quart every 2 or 3 hours and has a little rod noise.It has been the most reliable tractor we've had in the last 40 years.No matter how good it is or was,I would never try to mislead anyone into believing that it might last 25000 or 30000 hours,let alone 50000 or 70000 hours.You should run for some political office.I've noticed that there is a little bit of truth mixed in with your mountians of deception.Marty

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minnie ub

03-12-2006 20:51:33




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 Re: anyone pull with a JD powershift? in reply to Lamont, 03-12-2006 15:22:09  
GOT A 1964 4020 WITH OVER 40,000 HRS. ON IT. NO ITS NOT A MISPRINT FIRST TACH WENT OUT AT 18000 SECOND AT 12000 AND THE ONE IN IT NOW HASN'T WORKED FOR 12 YEARS ON A DAIRY FARM. THE POWER SHIFT HAD ONE SET OF SYNCRONIZERS PUT IN. THATS IT. IT IS IN THE SHOP RIGHT NOW GETTING A OVER HAUL WHETHER IT NEEDS IT OR NOT. IN ITS TIME I'VE HAD ALOT OF DIFFERENT COLORED TRACTORS INCLUDING CASE AND THERE ALL GONE. THE ONLY THING THAT HAS LASTED AS LONG IS OUR UB PULLER. WE FARMED WITH IT BEFORE WE MADE IT INTO A PULLER

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YEAH RIGHT!!!!!

03-12-2006 07:36:27




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 Re: anyone pull with a JD powershift? in reply to Lamont, 03-11-2006 12:39:32  
If you can't beat em, mize well shoot at em, cause you sure ain't gonna beat em. HAPPY SHOOTIN!



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Lamont

03-11-2006 10:12:50




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 Re: anyone pull with a JD powershift? in reply to dctom, 03-11-2006 09:37:16  
Might as well use it to shoot at. It"s a JD !!!!! Gotta have fun. :)



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