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minnie ub

01-21-2006 16:58:16




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Reading a post on a drag racing page about a guy getting pulled over by Wis. DOT on the way back from a race. Since he was racing for money no matter how big or small he didn't have a medical card or log book and they made him park his trailor at the next weigh station and leave it for 10hr since he couldn't prove how long he had been driving.Have any of you all ran into anything this absurd? He called his home state of Ill. and they explained it the same way. Do any of you run a log book?

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scotc

01-29-2006 23:34:13




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 Re: hauling in reply to minnie ub, 01-21-2006 16:58:16  
Honestly, being a truckdriver, I wish they would crack down on RV's doing 40 on 55 roads, people pulling big boats with mini trucks and cars, and guys with goosenecks that drive like they're running the car. And I think everyone should have to go through the training for driving a big truck before they let some of these people into cars. Some of these goosenecks are being loaded so bad that low beams are shooting for the moon. If we tried getting away with half of what some of these 1 ton pickups do we'd be spending a few years on state property. The 100 air mile exemption only applies for intrastate crossing state lines requires a log.

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johndear

01-29-2006 10:27:24




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 Re: hauling in reply to minnie ub, 01-21-2006 16:58:16  
In all cases mentioned one thing is key, to be commercial, you must be "for hire" or "for commerce". The hard part is convincing the DOT man of this. If you have a company name on the vehicle, advertisement, fancy logo's, big painted murial on the side of your van trailer, sponsor stickers, trophies laying in the back seat, and on and on they can claim you to be "for commerce". This is the only way they can write tickets. So they will look for any reason to call you "for commerce". A commercial vehicle (over 26,000 lbs) can be used for non-commercial uses and not fall under the commercial rules. Just have to make sure you are not being compensated in any way for what you are doing. This includes writing off part of your "hobby" on your taxes. Don't use your company truck on the weekend to haul your toys and think it doesn't apply to you.

Best bet, chain everything down legal, drive at or below the speed limit, act like you got some smarts, and answer the DOT man's questions correctly. If he writes you a ticket, thank him for it, and then get in touch with that state's commercial informance division and speak (or email) their disputes review folks. If you can convince them you were not being compensated ($5 trophy included) then they should reverse the ticket.

Want to make a difference in all this mess!!?? Call and write your Congressmen, Senators, and State Representatives and tell them the "RV" classification needs to be expanded to include us folks that use CMV's to play. Then we can get $35 tags, cheap insurance, and no hassle on the scales!

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Charlie V aka F20II

01-22-2006 21:02:10




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 Re: hauling in reply to minnie ub, 01-21-2006 16:58:16  
I drive commercial vehicle 48 states, i have ask many a weight master about hauling my tractors around the country. All that the other fellows have stated is very true, if you haul for money, even 10 pounds, or haul someone else's stuff along with your own it's commerial an you fall under the D.O.T. regulations. What the State Police an D.O.T. guys are looking most time is people speeding, loose chains, not enought chain's, shabby equipment, bad tire's etc. An if you don't belive these guy's don't look your wrong, a good weight master can spot a bad tire a mile away, they can listen to your tire's hum an tell if your overloaded as well. In my years of over the road operation I have seen many of load's that should have been pulled over. I can't see why anyone would want to haul something that is not safe, it's not only your safety but the safety of other that are around you while your going down the road.

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Patches

01-22-2006 17:20:11




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 Re: hauling in reply to minnie ub, 01-21-2006 16:58:16  
If you have any questons about the regulations concerning licensing of drivers and equipment go to WWW.FMCSA.GOV. Look under 49 CFR, Regulations for Commercial Vehicles. All states must adhere to Federal Regulations, but can have increase regulations of their own. In the State of Missouri, any vehicle in which the driver is compensated for driving the vehicle he must have a minimum of a Class "E" Chauffers license, this includes winning a trophy. Any vehicle and/or combined vehicle with a minimum weight of 10,001 GVWR, the driver must have a minimum of a Class "E" and a Medical Card. Any diesel vehicle and/or combined vehicle with a GVWR over 26,001, the driver must have a Class "B" Chauffers license and Medical Card. This applies to intra and interstate vehicles. All vehicles and trailers are subject to DOT safety regulations. And in Wyoming, any trailer with axle GWVR rating of over 3,000# must have a brake on each axle, it does not matter if it is a private trailer or a commercial trailer. And this is not a Wyoming law, it applies to any trailer passing through the state, been there - done that, paid fine, and fixed trailer before proceeding.

The states are cracking down, and they are cracking down hard.

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scottf

01-22-2006 10:59:04




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 Re: hauling in reply to minnie ub, 01-21-2006 16:58:16  
The diesel pickups now days are capable of hauling incredible amounts or weight. Far more than they could 5 or 10 years ago. With all the weight they are hauling the risk and liability go up as well. Most of the guys are not commercial drivers or have any additional training. From what I've seen a lot of guys seem to take great pride in being the fastest vehicle on the road in spite of a heavy load. I guess that's to show everybody how powerful their new diesel pickup is. I'm aware of at least one multiple fatality with 20 miles of my home in the last 6 months caused by a guy hauling a heavy trailer in the fast lane. Why would a guy with a load need to be in the fast lane? It's true that for the most part law enforcement would rather not bother, or be bothered by the "regular guy" but it's an issue that gets increasingly difficult to ignore. It's just matter of time before law enforcement agencies have to start doing more about it. I urge you guys to secure your loads and slow down before you ruin a good thing for everybody. Lets be safe out there.

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JD hauler

01-21-2006 20:11:01




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 Re: hauling in reply to minnie ub, 01-21-2006 16:58:16  
I would have to say that you should be liscened correctly , combo etc, but really the cops dont want to bug the regular joe, they are looking for loose chaings, lights out, going faster than the other traffic, I cant believe how fast some guys tow, those things will get you on the berm really fast according to people I know who drive white cars with stickers on them. Their big thing is speeding.

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cockshutt446

01-21-2006 18:20:26




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 Re: hauling in reply to minnie ub, 01-21-2006 16:58:16  
Minnesota is the same way and you dont even have to be racing for money or pulling if you have sponsers your selling advertising and that makes it commercial and that opens it up to D.O.T. regulatoins



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Ohjo puller

01-21-2006 19:45:31




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 Re: hauling in reply to cockshutt446, 01-21-2006 18:20:26  
I don't know about the logs ect. but I do know here in Ohio DOT and HP are playing hard ball in a lot of areas concerning pickups and trailers. A puller from Pa. said his state is also cracking down. Everything from GVW to insecure load to wrong plates. Now logs? What's next IFTA stickers?



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slowsmoke

01-22-2006 04:16:12




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 Re: hauling in reply to Ohjo puller, 01-21-2006 19:45:31  
In Ohio, you need a HUT sticker if over 10,000 lb.s. sticker is $1. fine is about $168. If you within 100 "air" miles of terminal(house) you don't need a log book. best to keep chains tight, everything looking right, and not get pulled over.



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oshp

01-22-2006 22:00:44




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 Re: hauling in reply to slowsmoke, 01-22-2006 04:16:12  
hut is only for over 56000. must then file insurance with state



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orv

01-23-2006 05:27:19




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 Re: hauling in reply to oshp, 01-22-2006 22:00:44  
In NY a HUT is required for any commercial vehicle and or combination over 18000.Which is just about everyone with a truck and trailer.



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minnie ub

01-22-2006 11:03:49




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 Re: hauling in reply to slowsmoke, 01-22-2006 04:16:12  
I'm in Ohio and hate to pull through Gallia and Jackson co. there playing hard ball but I didn't think with recreational vehicles. Know I wonder is that what we'll be considered or commercial



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