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Rules? We've been listening...

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Clintonia Antiq

01-17-2006 12:12:45




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Fellow pullers,

It may please you to learn that the biggest little club in Michigan has been busy. Tractor pulling has come a long way in the last few years. Clintonia has always prided having a class for everyone, but a new breed of puller developed as the sport grew more competitive.

As folks joined this new kind of pulling, we noticed a demand that was no longer met by our rules. We want every possible puller to enjoy our events, people, and facilities. The rules committee is taking on the task of creating a brand spanking new class and updating existing rules. This will be decided before the 2006 pulling season begins.

In the past we allowed basic top-cut tire classes at two speeds. As demand grew, we created a Farm Stock division allowing field and show tractors more enjoyment. Now we are happy to be forming a hot new speed limit class in the spirit of NATPA Div3, only faster.

You got big aluminum rims? Bring em'! You have strokers? Crank em'! You have compression? Fire it up! Grind away at those 18.4x38 tires! We want to see everyone's pride and joy brought to the Lansing, MI area.

Rusty and mild through shiny and wild tractors will all have a place on our 300' groomed clay home track complete with bleachers, lights, shade trees, and parking in Fowler, MI as well as many other fine locations. If your curiosity is up, feel free to contact me with comments and questions as we form our new classes. Welcome!

Ethan Berry (a.k.a. Mopower)
2006 Rules Committee
Clintonia Antique Pullers (MI)
517-726-0484

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Ken(MI)

01-18-2006 10:02:12




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 Re: Rules? We've been listening... in reply to Clintonia Antique Pullers, 01-17-2006 12:12:45  
As an outsider looking in (I only pulled with Clintonia 3 times last summer) I think a bigger issue with your club is defining and enforcing the rules you have. At one pull, I was DQ for having 12" wheels on my WD, which has pulled with you guys for 5 years with no problems, in farm stock. 12" wheels were factory optional on that tractor, but on this particular day it was decided that the 11" rim rule would be enforced. At the Eagle fair, once again in Farm Stock, there were 2 tractors running cut tires in this class, both with far from stock engines. If I mention these things at your events, I"m told that "we are just here to have a good time" There are other examples concerning others, but my feelings reflect what a lot of people feel about Clintonia. In general I feel that you have a good club and a good bunch of members, but as Terry mentioned, 3 or 4 people seem to be the chosen few to recieve favor.

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LRN

01-18-2006 10:56:32




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 Re: Rules? We've been listening... in reply to Ken(MI), 01-18-2006 10:02:12  
Hi Ken, I know the pull you are talking about, Pewamo right. One person took it upon himself to enforce a rule that the club decided to put on hold until this year when it will be ironed out. I got blind-sided myself. Unfortunately I got to that pull late. But the mess had been already created by that time. I had a special meeting in my shop to undue the mess he started. I'm not sure what happened in Eagle. I'm pretty sure I was there but I don't remember it. About 75% of the time I'm on the tec. committee so the problems we are having are probably my fault. I won't DQ a guy if his hitch is 1/16" too short or some little infraction but if a guy is trying to run cut tires in the farm stock class he's told to pull where he belongs. I try to enforce rules with the intent of the rule rather than the letter of the rule. Believe me it isn't fun to go to every pull and be a cop. I go to enjoy myself too. I really think that pulling tractors brings out the worst in people sometimes. It must be human nature to have really good guy's see what they can get away with. The new rules at Clintonia are a long ways from being put into place. There are a lot of ideas out there. Some pretty good and some not so good. It difinitely is time for some sort of change but there are about 75 members in the club and they will all have a say if they come to a meeting. My hope is that everyone who comes to one of our pulls with a stock tractor to a $15,000 motored tractor can pull in a class where the competition is similar not the situation we have
now with all of them put in together. I hope we can accomplish something close to that. I hope we can have a lot more Ken's and Terry's pull with us as well as some of the bigger tractors but not against each other. All I can assure you of is that we will try our best.

Thanks, LRN

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CLIFF S

01-17-2006 17:11:31




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 Re: Rules? We've been listening... in reply to Clintonia Antique Pullers, 01-17-2006 12:12:45  
Hi Mopower I think you guys are on the Right Track Now, I Am from Central Pa and we are having some of the same problems here!Our pullers have had all there differnt Div Classes trown in to one (with a lot of complaints)until last year when the started top cut and non cut classes for stock and close to stock tractors Like NATPA div 2 and the clubs that has gone to it has got most of there old pullers back and more that couldn't compete with Div 3 tractors and still have the Div 3 group that forced same pullers Out that couldnt aford to spend big $ to compete for a 25 cent ribbion, and the bottom line is that insurance cost and other expences need to be paid at the end of the day and Hooks no mater what class they come from is how clubs Pay the Bills and not by forcing pullers away so only a few can play! and if only a Few Can Play it wont be for LONG!!!

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Terry in MI

01-17-2006 15:00:02




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 Re: Rules? We've been listening... in reply to Clintonia Antique Pullers, 01-17-2006 12:12:45  
Ethan i'am sorry but i did not hear anything about this natpa crap at the last meeting.About three years ago this club was making enough money to support it's self plus a little.In my opinion the committe needs to look back at that time frame.The biggest problem came when the club started catering to two or three guys and upsetting dozens.Like i said before if they want to pull with the natpa go pull with them.I have no problem with the natpa or that type of pulling ,but are little club cannot financially support it. GOOD luck Ethan

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AC

01-17-2006 16:24:37




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 Re: Rules? We've been listening... in reply to Terry in MI, 01-17-2006 15:00:02  
Terry, Please remind me about how a club makes money (and improves its financial situation)..Oh yeah, its by hooks. Clintonia has a great farmstock class and intermediate class, and now it can have a great "Div 3 plus" class. How is this crap, and who is it hurting? I certainly don't think this will be hurting guys in farmstock because they have an EXTREMELY competitive class. I can't see how this is hurting the intermediate class (sorry, the name escapes me) because they can run farmstock if they choose, plus their own. And now if they want, they can bump up a class. Why would it be wrong to have classes where EVERYONE can have a good time? I don't see how in earth this can possible be hurting you. In fact, it will probably open the door to some new winners, when other guys bump up a class. ANY club that wants to be successful, HAS to be run like a business. In a time where hook numbers are low in this area of the state, each and every potential hook must be looked at. Do you want to know where the members went a few years ago? They went to the NATPA. As an outsider, I have listened to quite a few pullers complain that Clintoinia's rules were a little too different from everyone else. IT drove potential hooks away. Now, I don't see where ANYONE is aligining themselves with ANY organization. I just see the times, well, they are "a changin'" SO, show me where this entire deal is crap...By the way, what classes do you pull in? ..thanks for the time, AC

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Te5ry

01-17-2006 18:57:21




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 Re: Rules? We've been listening... in reply to AC, 01-17-2006 16:24:37  
AC I could tell you are an outsider.What i call crap is talking about these things and then bring it to the meetings.If you had an idea what you are talking about, a few years ago there was a class for everyone.



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01-18-2006 14:58:20




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 Re: Rules? We've been listening... in reply to Te5ry, 01-17-2006 18:57:21  
AC is not an outsider.Although he is a newer member,he is extremely optimistic about the future of our club and sport.And to set the record strait-there most certainly WAS NOT a class for everyone a few years ago.We have turned away a bunch of pullers over the last few years(typically by phone when they call to inquire about rules)because they don't want to change their tractors around to comply with our rules.Our rules are not necessarily bad,but a few of them are extremely outdated by most any of the larger clubs standards-which includes the majority of the clubs in our state.As far as the "crap" is concerned(i.e.bring it to the meetings,YOUR definition),THATS WHY WE HAVE MEETINGS.See ya' at the next meeting!
Marty Feldpausch
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AC

01-17-2006 20:12:54




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 Re: Rules? We've been listening... in reply to Te5ry, 01-17-2006 18:57:21  
Wouldn't it make the most sence to bring it to a meeting? Better than behind someones back!? There may have been a class for every one, a few years ago. But there is not now, and a change must be made. I don't see you becoming much of a poster boy for improving things with that attitude. Let me ask you this, what is your biggest fear? Input helps. and again, what class did you pull? thanks..Andrew

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masseypower

01-17-2006 15:05:05




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 Re: Rules? We've been listening... in reply to Terry in MI, 01-17-2006 15:00:02  
Terry how many pulls did you support last year?



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Terry in MI

01-17-2006 15:36:41




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 Re: Rules? We've been listening... in reply to masseypower, 01-17-2006 15:05:05  
I think i pulled two times with you.The rest of the summer the pulling schedule gave me places to pull dead weight.



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masseypower

01-17-2006 14:39:03




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 Re: Rules? We've been listening... in reply to Clintonia Antique Pullers, 01-17-2006 12:12:45  
what kind if speed limit are we talking



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Mopower

01-18-2006 05:28:16




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 Re: Rules? We've been listening... in reply to masseypower, 01-17-2006 14:39:03  
We"re looking at 5mph.



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Spud

01-17-2006 14:23:31




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 Re: Rules? We've been listening... in reply to Clintonia Antique Pullers, 01-17-2006 12:12:45  
Now all clintonia has to do is learn how to not run out of money. I here your last news letter said your over 3000.00 in the hole to start 06 but borrowed it from club mnembers. Yep, I want to pull with that club NOT



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LRN

01-17-2006 17:36:27




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 Re: Rules? We've been listening... in reply to Spud, 01-17-2006 14:23:31  
Mr. Spud, I'm not sure where you got your information but we are starting about $500 in the red after paying for a $2,800 lighting project and a $750 Christmas party. How do I know this,I write the checks.

Thank You, LRN



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Terry in Mi

01-18-2006 07:55:11




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 Re: Rules? We've been listening... in reply to LRN, 01-17-2006 17:36:27  
LRN This is what i mean about crap.Things get out of control when guys tell things they do not know,in return it only hurts the club.Take care see you soon.



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Marty in Mi.

01-18-2006 14:36:19




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 Re: Rules? We've been listening... in reply to Terry in Mi, 01-18-2006 07:55:11  
Terry- Please come to a meeting and voice your opinion.The hook numbers are indeed falling off a little,but compared to any other club that I know of personally,ours is doing extremely well.Things definately do get "out of control"sometimes,but it is usually because of the uninformed gossip sessions that take place outside of the meetings and on forums like this.Things like that truely hurt our club and our sport in general.Once again,please come to the next meeting.By the way,I've been to most of the meetings in the last 4 or 5 years and I don't ever remember anyone named Terry standing up and making suggestions that might improve our sport.We as a club need to make sure of many things,but the most important ones are,in my humble opinion,safety,fun,and financial responsability.The first two aren't easy,but they aren't out of our grasp.The last one will definately be out of reach if we don't change with the times.I don't think anyone wants to see even one club anywhere go under,but I especially don't want ours to go down.Thats not an issue right now,but it might be in the future if we don't take a direction towards the future.
Come to the next meeting,sit next to myself, Ethan,and Andy,and let us know whats on your mind.I'll be glad to bring any issues YOU may have to the clubs attention,even if I don't agree with them.Drop me a line sometime,or give me a call.

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Terry in Mi

01-18-2006 16:10:20




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 Re: Rules? We've been listening... in reply to Marty in Mi., 01-18-2006 14:36:19  
Marty, I have talked about these issues with Ethan at the last pull of the season. As far as talking alot about it right now, as far as I can see, it is up to the rules committee to lay out a plan. Then it should be discussed at a meeting. There are alot of good people at this club but it takes everyone to put on a good pull. As I said before I hate to have all the gossip drag this club down. I was criticized on a earlier post that this club should be run like a business. If I were going to run my business like this, I would like to know how much support it would have(5 mph class). I do disagree with several of your opinions, but that's just my opinion. Terry

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AC

01-18-2006 16:52:50




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 Re: Rules? We've been listening... in reply to Terry in Mi, 01-18-2006 16:10:20  
Terry, if you felt as if I was criticizing you, please accept my humble apoligies. My OPINION (and we alllll know what those are like) is derived from positions on 3 different gun clubs, student council, and (1) 4H group, (talk about being thrown to the lions). There is a certain amount of science that goes into an orginization, ANY organization, if a profit is to be made, AND KEPT. In the clubs case, staying alive would make everybody happy. I see this as a business venture, and an opportunity to make a great club better. I don't see where there is anything to lose. Thanks, Andrew

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Roman

01-17-2006 17:49:53




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 Re: Rules? We've been listening... in reply to LRN, 01-17-2006 17:36:27  
Hey LRN shoot me a email



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LRN

01-17-2006 18:22:16




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 Re: Rules? We've been listening... in reply to Roman, 01-17-2006 17:49:53  
I don't have an e-mail address at home.



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Jerry Cent. Mi.

01-17-2006 12:55:31




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 Re: Rules? We've been listening... in reply to Clintonia Antique Pullers, 01-17-2006 12:12:45  
Hi Ethan: THat class at Parieville doesn't draw much attention.



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