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stroker 88

11-30-2005 18:48:52




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chad was just curious if you ever convinced who ever. on that alky class you talked about?




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ksiv

12-04-2005 14:48:48




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 Re: chads alky class? in reply to stroker 88, 11-30-2005 18:48:52  
Gentlemen,
I"ve been working on a sprint car pit crew for about 6 years now, and never seen anyone running anything but alky. That said, I"ve only seen a few mishaps that involved the fuel, all of them ending safely. Ive seen more problems with gasoline, safety-wise. (most stock cars at dirt tracks run gas.) Gas appears to be much more flammable. The difference in gas and alky is that it takes more air to light gas as opposed to alky . But it takes more alky to make the same power. (twice as much).Thus, the two to one ratio. When evaluating costs of gas versus alky, remember that alky is much more corrosive to equipment and much thinner than gas. We have to change the oil after every race, since the alky thins the oil so much. I suspect that a tractor engine would be no different.

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CrazyAllis

12-03-2005 16:49:08




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 Re: chads alky class? in reply to stroker 88, 11-30-2005 18:48:52  
OK I've seen this discussed enough I'd like to know just what you're calling "alky"?Are you talking about methonal,ethonal or E85 or what.Before you make a lot of claims about how easy it is to put out "alky" fires you might want to check with some of the major racing sanctioning bodies where alcohol is used as a fuel,CART,USAC,NHRA,etc.Secondly if your paying $9 @ gallon for fuel I'll sell you a lifetime supply for only [email protected] real our last barrel was only $3.25@gal.

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ChadS

12-04-2005 04:17:19




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 Re: chads alky class? in reply to CrazyAllis, 12-03-2005 16:49:08  
Methanol. ChadS



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stroker 88

12-03-2005 19:56:08




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 Re: chads alky class? in reply to CrazyAllis, 12-03-2005 16:49:08  
if you can get vp118 for 3 something a gallon and gaurantee it's fresh. i'll look you up come spring. if it is more than two months old i won't use it. thats why i only buy it in 5 gallon lots. i have had methanol keep for 3 years, as long as you keep the container sealed so it won't draw moisture. and it cost less than 2$ a gallon.



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ChadS

12-01-2005 08:48:52




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 Re: chads alky class? in reply to stroker 88, 11-30-2005 18:48:52  
Just cant get anyone to listen about alky,,, All the superstition keeps raising its head. If mechanics knew how to make the alky setup safe, and have no troubles with what can happen, then, you may see an antique alky class. I dont belive current tech crews on antique clubs and circuits can can properly inspect a system and redeem it safe. You would have to have a certified tech commitiee, that has experiences with alky, like the ATPA/NTPA circuits have to inspect tractors fuel systems. Thats about what it would take to get an alky class in pulling circuits, and have backing from their insurance companies. Of course, I feel that pullers that use a highly explosive racing fuel, then use additives on top of that,, make it more dangerous than what alky ever would be. Just a time bomb waiting to happen in some cases. Chad

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stroker 88

12-01-2005 19:02:29




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 Re: chads alky class? in reply to ChadS, 12-01-2005 08:48:52  
i believe the biggest problem is most people don't understand it. and all the ones that think they do spread stories that are mostly gossip & blown out of preportion. the biggest fear and problem i have with it is not being able to see the flames in the daylight. for tuning and performance, as long as you don't get to lean it's great for power and forgiving in air changes. but safety is important. we need to have fun without burning inocent by standers. just think it would be great to see. once the others saw how it worked. they would head to the clear side also. beats the daylights out of that $9.00 a gallon racing fuel. just my 2 cents. stroker.

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what the?

12-03-2005 05:41:19




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 Re: chads alky class? in reply to stroker 88, 12-01-2005 19:02:29  
Stroker88, what are you running that is $9 per gallon? What do you have, 300 psi, 50 degree advance, 8000 rpm?



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stroker 88

12-03-2005 19:49:07




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 Re: chads alky class? in reply to what the?, 12-03-2005 05:41:19  
it's vp 118. yes we have our share of compression. at 2100 rpm's you can't run much advance. and even then if you pull it down hard and everythings not just right it will detonate.



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what the?

12-04-2005 14:13:53




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 Re: chads alky class? in reply to stroker 88, 12-03-2005 19:49:07  
Stroker88. You better open that thing up and find your hot spot in there. You shouldn't need that high octane a fuel. Typical of when you have a sharp edge somewhere in the combustion chamber or head. Little thin pieces of metal will do it too..



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Yah but

12-02-2005 11:14:29




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 Re: chads alky class? in reply to stroker 88, 12-01-2005 19:02:29  
If I'm not mistaken, your going to burn twice as much alky as gas. There goes the savings.



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stroker 88

12-02-2005 19:05:31




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 Re: chads alky class? in reply to Yah but, 12-02-2005 11:14:29  
at twice as much it is still only $4.00 instead of $9.00



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ChadS

12-02-2005 09:54:15




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 Re: chads alky class? in reply to stroker 88, 12-01-2005 19:02:29  
Ive never had trouble with fires when the H's were on alky. I triple checked to ensure no leaks on the fuel line. Thats bout 85% of the fire hazzard, other problems may be a backfire out the carb, but, never had that happen either,,,, You can barely see alky on fire, it has yellow tipped flames, but that is away from the initial place of where the fire starts,, Ive taken some alcohol, put it on the concrete floor, and lit it, seen a pretty blue flame closer to the floor, and yellow tipped towards the top of the flame,,, I put the fire out with my glass of tea was holding,, So, water puts the fire out. Another point is, that alky is not a fast flash point for ignition,,, it burns and ignites very slow, gasoline is more flamable than alky when it comes to the fumes. High test race fuel, well,, that stuff explodes when you lite it on fire, barely cant get away from it before it goes POOF!!! Alky,,, it burned slow, did not explode, just ignited,,, did not POOF or explode,, About like kerosine or diesil,,,,,Now if you pressurize alky and the vapors could be explosive,,, but, I still would not belive it would be any safer, or more dangerous than pump gas,,, Ever see the video,, where the sprint car catches fire and they cant put it out???? Thats race fuel burning,,, They could not put it out, but if it was alky,, they could have got the water truck out and put it out as fast as it lit. JMHO,,, ChadS

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