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New classes, rules, suggestions?

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Clintonia Antiq

10-25-2005 10:58:01




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Clintonia Antique Pullers discussed changing and/or adding a class. With gas prices and unclear rules, Clintonia attendance has been lighter than usual. I am guilty, having only pulled 3-4 times in 2005. Some Michigan pullers would like to pull, but Clintonia lacks a spot for faster cut tire tractors. We cannot run an open speed class, but would add something faster. This may help hotter machines in the way the Farm Stock class helped us barnyard pullers. The goal would be so most machines could come and compete in two classes. The current long hitch, top cut tire, and tire/rim size rules exclude some excellent people. Throw me some ideas for current rules or adding another class fellas! Things have been lacking this year, but we want to make sure everyone possible can attend, have a great time, and feel WELCOME!

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Marty in Mi.

11-06-2005 13:47:29




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 Re: New classes, rules, suggestions? in reply to Clintonia Antique Pullers, 10-25-2005 10:58:01  
Howdy folks,haven't made the time to visit this site in a long while. Been talking with E.B and LRN about this subject for a while now,and I've come to my own logical conclusions,although they may seem illogical to others.I feel we need 4 classes,and they should be as follows:
Farm Stock:2.5 mph,positively no cut tires or extremely sharp road worn tires,10% over on rpm,30% over stock hp,and the threat of a dyno if our tech commitee sees fit.(same as Div.2 except for dyno)
Modified Stock:Top cut tires,3mph,20 high,24 back,15.5 tires,no restrictions on rim width.
Pro Stock:N.A.T.P.A div 3 rules apply except for tire width(14.9 -15.5 max),speed(4 mph)and three toots and it's "thanks for the ten spot".
Super Stock:N.A.T.P.A.Div 3 rules apply except for cone and speed(three toots and you're out and 5 mph)
I think that a good farm stocker can win in his class and still have a legitamate chance of placing in the modified class.A good pulling modified tractor can win in his class and still have a fair shake in the pro stock class.A good running pro stocker should be able to give the super stocks some real fits.I think if we go this route or something real close to it we can still retain our self imposed crown as "The biggest little club in Michigan". Take care everyone,Marty

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Chuck S.

10-26-2005 16:44:21




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 Re: New classes, rules, suggestions? in reply to Clintonia Antique Pullers, 10-25-2005 10:58:01  
Try looking at USAP rules. Super Farm and Modified rules. 3mph, 4mph and 6mph.



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Max Puller

10-26-2005 11:22:49




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 Re: New classes, rules, suggestions? in reply to Clintonia Antique Pullers, 10-25-2005 10:58:01  
I have looked at your rules several times and no way could I make any of my tractors legal.Theirs a lot of tractors pulling in clubs all around you guys with the same problem. If you want anything other than a private good ole boys club you need to take good hard look at the rules of the clubs around you, most are using NATPA rules with their own twist like tire size or tire cut. this makes it easy for guys to float from club to club. If your sled won't handle open class don't have one the real money maker is DIV 2 DIV3 3.5 or 4 MPH . If you guys did a class like myself and others would give you guys a try as long as at the end of the day we thought we got a fair shake. Just My 2 Cents thanks

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Mopower

10-26-2005 12:07:34




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 Re: New classes, rules, suggestions? in reply to Max Puller, 10-26-2005 11:22:49  
Thanks Max. Quite a few folks in our club (including myself) share your sentiments about floating from club to club and updating rules to match puller demand. For a few long-time members, moving from a formerly popular "bush league" club to a modern club is a tough pill to swallow. Demand has changed. "If you make it, they will come", right? Clintonia is still one of the largest clubs around, but I've talked to too many nice pullers that would come, if only we had some fun for them. This means all the way from stock to hot classes.

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webpd

10-26-2005 10:53:56




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 Re: New classes, rules, suggestions? in reply to Clintonia Antique Pullers, 10-25-2005 10:58:01  
use NATPA rules and divisions with taking some of the picky stuff out and putting topcuts in DIV2.Then have all area clubs follow them same rules then we can travel where ever we want in the summer and have fun pulling instead of changing tires ,hitches,and forget DYNO it is beatable and 20 years behind the times besides thats what the speed limit is for.



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superih

10-27-2005 06:09:40




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 Re: New classes, rules, suggestions? in reply to webpd, 10-26-2005 10:53:56  
Speed limits were everyones hopes to eliminate the need for dino's at pulls. The dino is a real pain, it takes another person to run it, and the puller that gets caught on the dino being over the horsepower limit always has excuses pertaining that the weather changed etc. etc.

The thing that everyone has to wake up to is that the speed limit does not level the playing field like a dino, its close but not the same. We have stroker tractors pulling in our "Stock" classes and they always win. My little 169 in my Super H has to run 1st gear wide open to hit 3 mph. A stroker H can run 2nd gear and maintain 3 mph until he spins out by opening it up at the end of the track.

We even thought about a 1st gear rule for the stock class. If somehow we stumble across the answer, the end all we'll let you know. Oakley dino's just the 1st place tractor of each class. Not bad either.

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jd b puller

10-27-2005 19:11:09




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 Re: New classes, rules, suggestions? in reply to superih, 10-27-2005 06:09:40  
superih - Make a rule and someone will see how far they can push it. Remember back when they had a pace tractor? The guys with HP would sandbag back until the pace tractor was way down the track and then let "er rip.

Just my opinion, but if you want to help "even the playing field", stop the sandbagging - 3.5 or 4MPH, 10% over RPM and you can"t touch the throttle past the 50 foot mark. You"ve got brakes, so don"t give me the argument that you need to idle down to get traction.

Agreed, the Div 4 & 5 tractors are more fun to run and watch, but the Div 2 & 3 pay the bills.

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Lamont

10-27-2005 11:53:48




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 Re: New classes, rules, suggestions? in reply to superih, 10-27-2005 06:09:40  
How do you dyno a tractor that doesn't have a PTO? Do all tractors at these have to have a PTO? Just wondering how that dyno rule works.



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superih

10-27-2005 13:43:29




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 Re: New classes, rules, suggestions? in reply to Lamont, 10-27-2005 11:53:48  
I am only talking about the "Antique" class that is stock tractors. Must have all stock parts and a PTO.



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Olie

10-27-2005 16:46:25




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 Re: New classes, rules, suggestions? in reply to superih, 10-27-2005 13:43:29  
Not true, My WC never had a PTO on it. Just stick to a MPH and factory tire/rim size or one size up in antique and stock



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A.P.

10-27-2005 12:11:12




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 Re: New classes, rules, suggestions? in reply to Lamont, 10-27-2005 11:53:48  
All of the tractors in this class have to have a working PTO. Horsepower is by weighht class. You can check the rules at Link and follow the link for the Antique class.



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superih

10-26-2005 08:56:16




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 Re: New classes, rules, suggestions? in reply to Clintonia Antique Pullers, 10-25-2005 10:58:01  
A very active class in our club that fits most stroker motors is our "Plus" class 5 mph, 18" x 20" tall hitch, 18.4 x 38 max tire. We also have 3 open classes, 4500, 5500, 6500 (that a variable shade Oliver 88 usually spanks everyone in). We are close to bringing the Dino back for the stock classes to even it up for everyone, and hopefully increase our attendance.



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Mopower

10-26-2005 10:21:45




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 Re: New classes, rules, suggestions? in reply to superih, 10-26-2005 08:56:16  
In the past we have held off on using a dyno. The plan was to rely on our 2.5mph limit and the "no beeps after 50 ft. rule" to neuter any extra horsepower advantage that sneaks in to Farm Stock. We were hoping this would be more convenient and prevent squabbles, increasing attendance. (Which it did significantly.) Your plus class sounds like what some of us had in mind. I think I know the Oliver you speak off. I've taken a peek at it close and personal. It ought to give most folks a run for their money.

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TeeJay

10-25-2005 18:44:03




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 Re: New classes, rules, suggestions? in reply to Clintonia Antique Pullers, 10-25-2005 10:58:01  
Maybe you should get rid of the 19 inch drawbar rule and go to 18 and/or 20 like the other clubs in your area use.



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JaredM

10-25-2005 12:24:49




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 Re: New classes, rules, suggestions? in reply to Clintonia Antique Pullers, 10-25-2005 10:58:01  
How's about an alcohol class? It can be made cheaper than gas as well a higher octane.



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Jerry Cent. Mi.

10-25-2005 13:41:40




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 Re: New classes, rules, suggestions? in reply to JaredM, 10-25-2005 12:24:49  
I would like to pull with you but your tire restrictions leave me out. I pull Praireville, Caledonia, Lako Fair, Barry Fair, Kent County Youth Fair, Clarksville but I can't pull with you fellows unless I get a set of tires that have not been bezeled on the top and sharpened on the front.



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NE Ind puller

10-27-2005 03:12:46




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 Re: New classes, rules, suggestions? in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 10-25-2005 13:41:40  
Jerry, could you give me the link to see your rules. Thanks



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AC

10-28-2005 14:54:14




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 Re: New classes, rules, suggestions? in reply to NE Ind puller, 10-27-2005 03:12:46  
www.lakeshoreantiquetractorclub.com



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pulling else where

10-25-2005 14:35:28




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 Re: New classes, rules, suggestions? in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 10-25-2005 13:41:40  
Maybe your pullers are going somewhere else becaues of the track workers, or some people are getting away with alot more than they should. Look at other pulls whole lot of tractors in ALL classes.
LOOK AT YOURSELF FIX IT and you'll get your tractors back.



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Mopower

10-26-2005 05:28:16




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 Re: New classes, rules, suggestions? in reply to pulling else where, 10-25-2005 14:35:28  
I hear a complaint now and then regarding aparent cheating. No need to name names, but if you give some examples I will sure take them in to account as a member of the rules comittee as well as an aquaintence of most of the track workers. Track officials like to think that all pullers are good honest folk and they refrain from nit-picking machines, but if there are people getting away with breaking rules, they should be dealt with. If pullers are bending some rules on a technicality, maybe the rules should be amended. Thanks Terry.

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Ooops

10-26-2005 05:46:01




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 Re: New classes, rules, suggestions? in reply to Mopower, 10-26-2005 05:28:16  
Ooops, sorry you are not Terry. Thanks a bunch anyway sir.

-Mopower



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Terry inMi

10-25-2005 17:40:29




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 Re: New classes, rules, suggestions? in reply to pulling else where, 10-25-2005 14:35:28  
I honestly think you need to go back about three years ago when the club was growing.Then look at the changes that were made.I think LRN had a fair idea with the different classes.



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Mopower

10-26-2005 05:36:11




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 Re: New classes, rules, suggestions? in reply to Terry inMi, 10-25-2005 17:40:29  
I agree. Farm Stock did wonders for our club. Fowler bagged close to a 220 hook pull not more than a year after Different classes may take some of the "borderline" tractors and give them an opportunity to compete against similar machines instead of putting the squeeze on the barnyard pullers. My tractors range from pure sock to slightly more. If there was a new class, I'd even try a new tractor. What changes caught your fancy and which were not so great and why? Thanks Terry. We have an opportunity to do something really awesome here.

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Mark H

10-27-2005 16:53:19




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 Re: New classes, rules, suggestions? in reply to Mopower, 10-26-2005 05:36:11  
Mopower, Mark here did you get one of your tractors to the pulls or are you still using your daddies U? See you at the XMas party



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Mopower

10-27-2005 17:16:45




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 Re: New classes, rules, suggestions? in reply to Mark H, 10-27-2005 16:53:19  
Daddy"s UB is still used regularly by me since I am the one that can weigh in on it. Not to metion I am the only one that puts a wrench on it. See ya at x-mas. Gimmee a call!



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Terry inMi

10-26-2005 19:12:48




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 Re: New classes, rules, suggestions? in reply to Mopower, 10-26-2005 05:36:11  
I think that is right we all will be able to compete in 2 classes.Instead of hoping for the best in the second class.I Also think most of us guys have more than one or two tractors.This could help by setting them up for different classes.Also i think it is a bad idea to increse the speed for liability reasons.I like to pull on this track, some times like the last pull of the year you can really get a hold of it.

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