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Waiver for pull on private property

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FarmerSid

09-30-2005 04:47:21




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Hey all! Been thinking of hosting a pull at my place next summer. Will make for a fun time with no time constraints as most of our pulls are at local fairs and have only so much time for a pull. Sucks when you do all that work loading, carrying all that weight to only get one hook.

Wondering if anyone has any idea's or an example of a waiver to protect myself legally with all these tractors and trucks on my property.

Cheers!

Sid

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JOHN LAMPKIN---USAP

09-30-2005 13:43:32




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 Re: Waiver for pull on private property in reply to FarmerSid, 09-30-2005 04:47:21  
FARMER SID---I HAVE PUT ON PULLS AT FAIRS AND AT MY FARM--I WOULD SAY THE ONLY WAY TO BE COVERED IS TO HAVE INSURANCE ON THE PULL AND INSURANCE ON THE GROUNDS. THIS WAY YOU ARE COVERED FOR MOST THINGS BUT YOU CAN STILL BE SUED AND WILL STILL HAVE TO PROVE YOUR SIDE NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS. THE LAWYER ON THE OTHER POST HAS A AGREEMENT WRITTEN UP BUT I HAVE HAD A LAWYER CHECK OTHER AGREEMENT AND SAID I CAN BEAT THAT IN COURT. SO I USE ALLIED SPECIALITY INSURANCE FOR THE PULLS AND FARM BUREA FOR OUR FARM. STILL WATCH AND HOPE NOTHING HAPPENS SURE DON'T WANT TO MEET THE LAWYERS IN COURT. YOU CAN ABOUT EVERYTHING AND WILL STILL MISS SOMETHING. GOOD LUCK CALL ME IF I CAN HELP--JOHN LAMPKIN---USAP--270-929-5669

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John T

10-01-2005 08:08:23




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 Re: Waiver for pull on private property in reply to JOHN LAMPKIN---USAP, 09-30-2005 13:43:32  
DARN GOOD ADVICE JOHN (GET INSURANCE), especially the fact that if theres an injury, the landowner IS THE ONE WHO GETS SUED. Thats the way the lawyer gets to the deep pocket (insurance provider) cuz thats what it takes to effect its coverage. We are ALL responsible for our own actions REGARDLESS OF ANY SIGNED WAIVERS OR INSURANCE POLICIES. The law does NOT allow an individual to have signed away his responsibilty (especially if he were gross negligent), things like the Waiver can be a big help however, say when the participant gets hurt SOLELY because of HIS OWN NEGLIGENCE., I gave a liability Seminar at a John Deere Two Cylinder Expo once and that was the bottom line fer sure. Take care n be safe yall

John T

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John T

09-30-2005 09:42:59




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 Re: Waiver for pull on private property in reply to FarmerSid, 09-30-2005 04:47:21  
Sid, it makes a difference if you're voluntarily offering your property for these guys to come and pull for the fun and enjoyment of it VERSUS if youre charging admission. I say that because concerning negligence and liability issues, the duty of care you owe to a business invitee is much higher than that owed to a guest.

To "possibly" (NO Waranty) avoid potential personal liability in the event of accidents, the sort of thing you would at a minimum require of the participants and attendees would be for them to sign a waiver of liability. It would read something like:

WAIVER OF LIABILITY

In consideration of _____ _____ _____ _____ allowing us to participate in and observe tractor pulling on his property, and being fully aware of its inherent dangers, we hereby absolve him and agree to hold him harmless for any liability for personal injury or property damage which might result from our participation in or attendance at the tractor pull event held on his property DATE_____ _____ _____ _. We agree we are each individually responsible for our own and our childrens safekeeping at this event, and agree not to hold _____ _____ _____ ___ liable for any property damage or personaly injuries which we or our children or guests may suffer as a result of participating in or attending this event held on his property.

I just scratched this off the top of my head, I practice more in the areas of probate, contracts and real estate and AM NOT a personal injury law expert of any sort.

TO OBTAIN A BETTER LIABILITY WAIVER FORM APPLICABLE TO YOUR PARTICULAR STATES LAWS, CONSULT AN ATTORNEY OR SEEK ADVICE ELSEWHERE Im just offering this as free and worthless advice. It and a buck may get you a cup of coffee, provided its NOT at Starbucks, but thats for Yuppies and not us farmers anyway lol.

The practical matter is if someone (especially a child) gets injured, the ambulance chasing personal injury injury lawyers are looking for a "deep pocket" (like your home insurance provider) from which they might get a settlement REGARDLESS of any actual negligence or liability (lawsuits have a nuisance value). A waiver of liability type form is NO GUARANTEE but helps a lot more when youre not doing this as a business but as fun and recreation. What Im saying is If you would still personally do something that constitutes gross negligence (say you let some kid drive your own tractor or ride on the sled etc) and he got hurt YOU MAY WELL BE STILL LIABLE REGARDLESS WHAT ANYONE SIGNED.

The basic premise of Negligence is somethign like. "The Defendant has a duty NOT to expose Plaintiff to a reasonably forseeable risk of injury" That means just because someone gets injured, someone else is NOT necessarily liable unless he violated the above. Accidents happen and unless you put someone in a position which a reasonable man knew or ought to have known might result in his injury, you are NOT liable should an accident happen and hes injured.

DONT BLAME ME FOR TODAYS SOCIETY AND TOO MANY LAWYERS SEEKING A CASE LOL I didnt become a lawyer until after I retired as an electrical engineer and farmed for several years.

John T Nordhoff in Indiana, retired electrical engineer and now a country lawyer

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