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I beat the fuel prices (pic).

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Mopower

09-23-2005 10:28:38




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Finally after much study I found the solution to significantly reducing fuel consumption in huge Minneapolis-Moline engines.




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jd b puller

09-25-2005 05:50:17




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to Mopower, 09-23-2005 10:28:38  
Geez MoPower - look what you did? I thought this was a funny post about an engineless tractor, not people bashing each other. Boys will be boys I guess.



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ejr-IA.

09-23-2005 16:26:51




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to Mopower, 09-23-2005 10:28:38  
The old girl looks like she is waiting for a 800 transplant.



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G/MAN

09-23-2005 16:06:56




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to Mopower, 09-23-2005 10:28:38  
A lot of the farmers around here have found the same solution to dropping their irrigation costs -replace the old Minnie propane power-units with Deere 4045T and 6068T diesels.



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CASEPOWER

09-23-2005 18:27:37




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to G/MAN, 09-23-2005 16:06:56  
If they are just now replacing them, then they must be some long lasting engines. I am not sure when the last MM engine was built, but I doubt the Deere engines will log as many hours seeing how you are replacing cams at 6000 hours on the agri tractors.



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G/MAN - also...

09-24-2005 09:37:17




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to CASEPOWER, 09-23-2005 18:27:37  
It's kind of odd how many non-industrial engines are running wells for a long time, too. Such as Chevy 350s and 454s, Ford 300s and 429s, etc. The longevity of the engine depends more on the owner than anything.



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G/MAN

09-24-2005 09:35:37




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to CASEPOWER, 09-23-2005 18:27:37  
Too bad we've already got those 4045s and 6068s pushing 7,000 - 8,000 hours already. They run around the clock most of the summer when it's dry. But I know you're not too familiar with WORKING engines, just toys. And if you think those Molines have lasted this long without being overhauled, you're smoking something. They're especially hard on valves.



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CASEPOWER

09-24-2005 10:05:16




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to G/MAN, 09-24-2005 09:35:37  
"WORKING engines, just toys" If you are calling all the local farmers equipment toys, and all the pullers toys, well OK. I do find it hard to believe you claim to have been a farmer all your life, and now a Deere tech, but have never changed a tractor tire!! ROTFLMAO.



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G/MAN

09-24-2005 10:10:40




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to CASEPOWER, 09-24-2005 10:05:16  
I'm not a farmer, and have never claimed to be. But I've sure spent more time on farms and ranches working than you'll ever hope to. How big are those tires you're changing again? I'd like to see you tear into a set of 46s with your spoons. What I find to believe is that a self-proclaimed tractor guru like yourself hasn't spent a full day in the seat using one.



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CASEPOWER

09-24-2005 12:00:38




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to G/MAN, 09-24-2005 10:10:40  
However much time I spent in the field, was to much. I would tackle a 46" so fast that it would make your head spin. Agri tires are a joke to change. I have changed skidder and rubber tire loader tires that were much worse. Your full of hot air and just have book reading to back yourself up. You should have came along and went to the school of hard knocks with us county boys..



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Rusted G

09-25-2005 09:33:54




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to CASEPOWER, 09-24-2005 12:00:38  
Looks like Ole G/man is back at it again, talking about things he only reads and has never seen, much less experianced. I often wonder just how much work he actually does, I would hate to take my tractor to that dealer, it would never get fixed, just theorized. But I would have to agree about one thing hes says, he is a proffesional alright, professional BS'er.

Could never figure out why if he has no use for "toys", why he has to tell everyone how to build thiers. G/man is a classic product of a want to be, but never will be, thats why he has to get on here and try and prove himself, because he knows in the real world, he could never make it building tractors. Must be nice to get paid to sit at a dealer and read a book then get online and tell people what to do without ever having done it.

I wonder how much labor time has been billed to the farmer, when in fact hes paying for g/man sitting at a computer, rather than working. Must be awfull to try and explain something to him, since he knows it all. I guess you just call the dealer and and hold the phone to the tractor and g/man knows exactly what the problem is.

I get a kick out the young kids that think they know it all, and then have to work at proving themselves. You will find people that do know what they are talking about, don't brag about it, and do not have to reply to every little thing that opposes what they have said. They offer good advice and leave it. If you have to prove yourself and defend, you are insecure and have never done it. Only read books and theorize, then tell people what to do. Real mechanics and proffesionals offer the advice and past experiance, then leave it alone. Go ahead G/man, reply to this post and brag about all you do and how good you are, and try and make me look bad, I do'nt care. Ive seen 100's of kids like you, one day you'll wake up to reality. Go ahead and post and ramble on, its ok, we know your just a little guy and cant handle criticism. Its a lot a fun!

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G/MAN

09-25-2005 11:31:27




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to Rusted G, 09-25-2005 09:33:54  
You're the expert on rambling, that's for sure. I'm not sure what irrigation engines have to do with building tractors, but this is your tangent, so run with it. Can you give me a ballpark figure of exactly how many people in the U.S. make a living SOLELY off of building pulling tractors????



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Too Far Gone

09-24-2005 16:21:30




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to CASEPOWER, 09-24-2005 12:00:38  
You are right.My Dad and I have always changed our own tires,even the big boys on our combines,and I would much rather change a rear tractor than one of those damned lawn mower tires,but I do have a sliding hammer to help break them down first which helps a bunch.



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G/MAN - hey CP...

09-24-2005 13:27:50




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to CASEPOWER, 09-24-2005 12:00:38  
Is there anything you HAVEN'T done, besides operating a farm tractor in the field? Since I've "known" you, you've claimed to have worked for Edelbrock and designed some intake or other, rebuilt 200 Detroit engines in a year, been a salvage yard operator, wrecker driver, magazine editor, mechanic, machinist, foundry engineer, pulling tractor builder, tire man and how much else??? However much time you spent in the field??? Aren't you still an ace wrench-bender, fixing every tractor in the countryside???

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CASEPOWER

09-24-2005 18:22:36




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to G/MAN - hey CP..., 09-24-2005 13:27:50  
I worked for Magneti Marelli Inc. located here in Sanford, NC and yes I had something to do with the carburetor design for the 3 deuce intakes they build that sell as a package deal. Magneti builds all of Edelbrock's carburetors. I have rebuilt my share of Detroit engines, Still have a small tractor salvage, Towed for the Highway Patrol and Sheriffs dept for many years. Still run my rollback also. Yes, I am the Editor of two magazines along with doing all of the graphic design and layout, take a lot of pictures, build websites, I do mechanic work along with machine work. I also cast aluminum (a fairly new adventure)I do build a few pulling tractors and Yes, I change my own tires. I also worked for Yamaha for about two years traveling up and down the coast doing tech work. I was a mechanic for a high end golf course in Pinehurst, NC. I have been self employed since age 22. As for future adventures?? Who knows I might buy a John Deere dealer in Nebraska so I can fire you for staying on the computer all day!! Ok, so I didn't care to sit my a$$ on a tractor all day in a field!!!

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G/MAN

09-25-2005 11:21:15




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to CASEPOWER, 09-24-2005 18:22:36  
Staying on the computer all day? That's a hoot. Seems to me I fixed three combines on Friday, was on the clock from 7:30 am til 6 pm without any sort of break. "Lunch" was a can of Pepsi at about 4 o'clock. Spent about 6.5 hours under the feederhouse of a 4420, as a matter of fact. Probably had close to 60 hours on the clock this week, and spent one night here til 10:30 working on MY tractor. What did you get done again? Keep at it, maybe someday YOU'LL find something you can stick to, instead of bouncing around from job to job. Kind of slighting farmers with that last remark, aren't you? Just proof that you really DON'T know jack about farming. Yeah, it's pretty simple - sit in the thing and steer. Don't worry about what's going on behind you, running out of seed or chemicals, staying on the rows or anything. Yep, you'd BETTER stick to your toys. As for you buying a John Deere dealership, that's another hoot. You'd quickly find out some things about THAT business. Like how hard it is to find good people when you're established and treat your employees well. There's not a technician around that would work for someone with a chip on his shoulder like you have, more than likely walking around the shop telling everyone what you can do and how THEY should do their job...

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CASEPOWER

09-26-2005 09:05:21




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to G/MAN, 09-25-2005 11:21:15  
I didn't say nothing about farmers. You keep saying that I spent no time in the field and I chose not to. I have done my share of plowing, but it was not something I enjoyed. I plowed with a 1922 Fordson with a mounted 2 bottom disc plow before and enjoyed it much better than the 2150 I used. So you admit you are on the clock while being on the computer!! As for me telling folks what I can do, you are the one that called me on it. You wanted to put all my life in one big ball, and tell me I was fibbing, so there you have it. You need pictures??

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G/MAN

09-26-2005 10:10:46




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to CASEPOWER, 09-26-2005 09:05:21  
Darn right I'm on the clock during breaks when I'm on here. One of the benefits of a real job. While the rest of the guys are in the break room b.s.ing, I get online. If it's during break, the boss doesn't care a bit.



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G/MAN

09-24-2005 13:23:53




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to CASEPOWER, 09-24-2005 12:00:38  
You country boys. That's a hoot. You don't have the first clue about farming, farmers or anything related to either. You play with your toys and sell parts for other people's toys. I wouldn't put you on a pedal tractor, let alone let you operate anything in the field. The school of hard knocks. Is this the beginning of another story about how you had to pick grass and haul it to the "livestock" in buckets? How many rabbits did you have again??? BTW, I think I can find some more of those unobtainable crankshaft gears for you, so you won't have to keep "giving away" 3020 cranks...

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CASEPOWER

09-24-2005 18:26:38




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to G/MAN, 09-24-2005 13:23:53  
When I was 5 and 6 years old, I use to get up at 5:00 AM to pull grass and put in 5 gallon buckets for the livestock. We lived in W.Va and had no grazing land. Maybe if you would have had a dad like mine, and not one that paid to have tractor tires changed, you wouldn't be such a panzy!!



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G/MAN

09-25-2005 11:25:26




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to CASEPOWER, 09-24-2005 18:26:38  
Uh, what kind of livestock was this again? Rabbits? Chickens? Sorry Einstein, but there isn't any 5-year-old or 50-year-old going to be able to "pick" enough grass to keep a cow alive, so you were obviously dealing with small animal, if any at all. No grazing land but you had a place to pick grass? So what were you doing, trespassing? I've got a news flash for you. When I was that age, I had up to 10-12 bottle-calves to feed every morning. We lived a feedyard then, and when calves were born in the yard, we'd buy them, raise them and sell them. And I've got another news flash for you. My dad, or stepdad actually, has done more work in his life than you'll ever hope to, as a feedlot cowboy, truck driver and now a ranch manager. They don't pick grass and put in buckets to carry to rabbits. They just put up thousands of tons of hay every summer. When is the last time you put in a FULL day working, and then got up at 2 am when the dew started coming on to go bale hay? You're a wannabe that never will, and that's a fact.

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CASEPOWER

09-26-2005 08:07:26




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to G/MAN, 09-25-2005 11:25:26  
It looks like I have accomplished a little in my life so far, so if I died tomorrow, I would have accomplished much more then if you live to be 200. I am not sure if it is hatred or jealousy that fuels your fire, but I would get someone to take a look inside your head, if they can find anything that is.



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G/MAN

09-26-2005 10:14:53




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to CASEPOWER, 09-26-2005 08:07:26  
Quit you're crying and face the fact that you don't know beans about me. Sorry, but I don't have to come on here and catalog every little odd job I've ever had in order to feel like I've done something. You've got an inferiority complex that's laughable, and the righteous indignation every time you post is hilarious. So WHAT exactly did you do at the carburetor place again?



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CASEPOWER

09-26-2005 12:15:47




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to G/MAN, 09-26-2005 10:14:53  
I started at 18 working in Reman and was working with the engineers within 6 months. The Edelbrock three deuce set-up used 3 Rochester 2-jets and were all reman, not new. I was involved with the modifications that made it possible. I also did just about all of the flow bench testing that was involved. I don't have to prove myself to you, so I won't answer anymore of your questions about anything.

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G/MAN

09-26-2005 13:41:27




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to CASEPOWER, 09-26-2005 12:15:47  
Ditto. If you want left alone, I suggest you learn to do the same.



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CASEPOWER

09-26-2005 17:13:21




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to G/MAN, 09-26-2005 13:41:27  
I don't ask you about your life because I don't care. I see that you are fascinated with mine for some reason. Must be because I have sexx pretty often and you don't.



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G/MAN

09-27-2005 12:08:44




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to CASEPOWER, 09-26-2005 17:13:21  
The only thing that fascinates about me about you is how you can be so thoroughly convinced that you're a legend, and want so badly for every one else to feel the same. Like I said - inferiority complex. As for having sex(x) (you're sneaky, by the way), you must be completely out of ammo, if your'e sinking to stupid comments like that. What a fine example you set for your fellow "super" pullers.

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LW

09-23-2005 20:33:08




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to CASEPOWER, 09-23-2005 18:27:37  
G-Man can't comprehend a non-diesel engine logging 30,000 plus hours because deere never built anything that could do it!



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G/MAN

09-24-2005 09:33:48




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to LW, 09-23-2005 20:33:08  
What's your address so I can send you a copy of the article in Marine Power-Source detailing a 4045T running a refrigeration plant on a commercial fishing boat that had logged over 50,000 hours???? How about the 6076 that ran over 70,000 on a gen-set in Alaska? Sure those Minnies will run forever. Constant load on LP running a well isn't too difficult. The oil stays clean forever, they aren't started when it's cold out, etc. Seems to me Moline guys like you ought to be out here buying them up instead of sitting at home blowing about how good they are.

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V8 puller

09-26-2005 14:23:45




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to G/MAN, 09-24-2005 09:33:48  
I work on boat engines 60,000 to 80,000 hours on a engine is very common. Would say the hours on the unit you speak of is probably a little low.there is no dust or dirt in the ocean. should go over 100,000 plus.



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G/MAN

09-26-2005 16:07:48




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to V8 puller, 09-26-2005 14:23:45  
It was 50,000 and still running. The owner pulled the head once just to check things out, found everything okay and dropped it back down. I'm sure he was correct when he said reliability is kind of important when you're keeping a 65,000 pound catch cold.



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LW

09-24-2005 18:28:37




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to G/MAN, 09-24-2005 09:33:48  
How about this, I was being very conservative a MM HD800 on a well constant load yeah pumping water usually is. Lets see they crank them run them non-stop 24-7 for 3-4 months a year, Ok thats approx. 2500 hours a year there are engines that have been doiny that out there for what 50 years. THats 125,000 hours. Now lets hear some more!



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G/MAN - oh, and LW...

09-25-2005 11:29:58




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to LW, 09-24-2005 18:28:37  
They seldom run around the clock for more than a couple of days, over a period of 3-4 months. 1000 hours is probably about average to put on a well engine in an average year. Some years more, some years less, depending on the range. I figured that since you're blowing about them, you might actually want to know something about them. Can you tell me what I would need to know a number like 6:5 for when dealing with an irrigation well???

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G/MAN

09-25-2005 11:27:56




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to LW, 09-24-2005 18:28:37  
Do you have the first clue what you're talking about? Nope, they NEVER overhaul those engines. And they sure haven't been out there for 50 years. If you'd like, you can drive out here and we'll go take a tour of local machine shops, and see how much machine work they've done on Minnies over the years. It's a lot. In fact, our machinist has a 605 sitting in his shop to be rebuilt as we speak. They wear out just like any other engine. Have you put 2500 hours on any of yours???

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LW

09-25-2005 16:29:23




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to G/MAN, 09-25-2005 11:27:56  
Actually got a 670 super lp here with over 14,000hrs runs great worked it all day friday, And in LA. they run them on the rice fields non-stop flood irrigation. I guess with the nebraska blinders on you wouldn't know that.



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G/MAN

09-26-2005 10:11:45




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to LW, 09-25-2005 16:29:23  
Why don't you get on the BB and ask CF what sort of service he gets from his Deere power-units???



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supermpuller

09-24-2005 10:05:42




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to G/MAN, 09-24-2005 09:33:48  
Looks like Gman is hitting the books again, since I doubt he had ever seen a MM running on LP or a JD marine power in Alaska.



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G/MAN

09-24-2005 10:12:17




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to supermpuller, 09-24-2005 10:05:42  
How many Minnies on LP do you want to see? What do you think they run them on around here? Gasoline? Typical supermpuller comment - completely baseless and ingnorant. For someone who talks so much crap about book learning and READING, you sure seem to spend a LOT of time READING my posts...



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supermpuller

09-24-2005 10:45:18




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to G/MAN, 09-24-2005 10:12:17  
The question is how many LP ,MM engines or Marine JD engines in Alaska have you worked on, O great one. LW knows a lot about MM running on LP and you never worked or drove one, I guess I will go with LW on this one, keep reading you'll catch up some time.



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G/MAN

09-24-2005 13:21:08




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to supermpuller, 09-24-2005 10:45:18  
Another pointless post. Do you only speak of what you've actually done? I think not. And how do you know exactly what I'VE done? Did you figure out the horsepower formula yet, Einstein???



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Buster

09-23-2005 22:11:00




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to LW, 09-23-2005 20:33:08  
Humm, kinda funny, Deere's still in business!



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720Deere

09-23-2005 11:42:25




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to Mopower, 09-23-2005 10:28:38  
You would most likely achieve even better fuel economy with air in the tires!



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T

09-23-2005 10:31:28




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 Re: I beat the fuel prices (pic). in reply to Mopower, 09-23-2005 10:28:38  
Very effiecent while still serving a purpose. (I Think)



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