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When to Throttle Back in a Wheelie?

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phil

02-12-2002 10:30:53




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Near the end of a pull, when the front wheels lift, I throttle back a little. Wheels drop down, gov'r kicks in, wheels pop right back up. Throttle back a little more, wheels drop down, then right back up. Am I throttling down too much or not enough on my first attempt? Suggestions?




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brian

02-13-2002 13:39:35




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 Re: When to Throttle Back in a Wheelie? in reply to phil, 02-12-2002 10:30:53  
As stated before use your body weight by shifting foward and hugging the steering wheel. Something else that might help you control the tractor when the frontend is in the air is to lean in the direction the tractor is pulling(ie. tractor pullin left shift body weight to the left tire) This works, not many believe it does but I have out pulled many a better and stronger tractors by understanding what I could do in the seat without hitting the brakes and killing power. Even at 100lb. (When I was nine) I could change the direction of the tractor.

Brian in KY

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Greg H.

02-13-2002 13:01:39




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 Re: When to Throttle Back in a Wheelie? in reply to phil, 02-12-2002 10:30:53  
Phil, rarely does my front end come off the ground high, but when it does, I don't take any off the feul, I just push my brake pedels, and the front comes back down. I don't mash them,and try to drop the front end, rather I just ride them enough to get the front end back down where I feel comfortable running it,{less than a foot off the ground}. This takes power off the engine, but it works more smoothly than the moving the throttle up and down. By the way I pull a newer model tractor{66 4020} with Hydrolic brakes, and I'm only going around 4 MPH, so I have alot of time to decide how to handle the tractor, vs if I were going hay raking speed, or faster. Like everyone else stated though a good 100 pound shift in weight wouldn't hurt you either. Good Luck, Greg H.

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laipuller

02-12-2002 20:11:22




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 Re: When to Throttle Back in a Wheelie? in reply to phil, 02-12-2002 10:30:53  
sometimes just a simple shift of your own body weight in the seat helps that is if your weight isn't off too bad. my tractor has no turning brakes so for one i weight it a little heavy up front, mine pulls best when the front wheels float just above the ground. just slide to the front of your seat, hug the steering wheel, i'd rather ride it out than power out of it.



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G Taylor

02-12-2002 19:33:32




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 Re: When to Throttle Back in a Wheelie? in reply to phil, 02-12-2002 10:30:53  
As previously mentioned more weight on the front or a shorter drawbar is the best cure. Idling back gains nothing except increasing the chances for a stall if the tires get a solid bite. When that front comes up the drawbar goes down, weight transfers off the rear tires onto the sled's pan increasing the drag & reducing traction.



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balance

02-12-2002 23:14:48




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 Re: Re: When to Throttle Back in a Wheelie? in reply to G Taylor , 02-12-2002 19:33:32  
There are supposedly rules that regulate drawbar length. I agree with Taylor that a shorter drawbar would help. HOwever, lowering the drawbar would be the legal thing to do.



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phil

02-12-2002 17:54:42




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 Re: When to Throttle Back in a Wheelie? in reply to phil, 02-12-2002 10:30:53  
Thanks for all of the suggestions, I see what you mean about the physics & the weight balance. I watched a John Deere 50 finish his pull at about a third throttle in creeper first - the front tires floated between 4 & 12 inches for about the last 10 feet, looked real good. So that's what I was trying to do with my 51 B. Thx.



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2popperb

02-12-2002 16:40:03




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 Re: When to Throttle Back in a Wheelie? in reply to phil, 02-12-2002 10:30:53  
what i suggest is let the front end off the ground until it gets high enough to b unsafe or make you uncomfortable you can always steer with the wheel brakes if you have them .



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Deere Puller

02-12-2002 10:44:44




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 Re: When to Throttle Back in a Wheelie? in reply to phil, 02-12-2002 10:30:53  
When you throttle down, the momentum change allows the front to drop, when power is re-applied, front will rise. Need to think of the physics involved & understand that absent of throttling down to the point where the engine powers out, or the tractor breaks traction, wheels will rise no matter what you do with the throttle. The best solution is to figure your weight placement out a little closer. You may set your wheelie bars low, to keep the front down, but when they touch, they change the weight distribution dynamics & can cause your tractor to lose forward bite.....A problem that we all struggle with every now & then.....

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Balance

02-12-2002 10:42:16




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 Re: When to Throttle Back in a Wheelie? in reply to phil, 02-12-2002 10:30:53  
Your front end goes down because your speed slowed down, sled takes away draft from the tractor. When the draft resumes, governor opens up, front end comes back up. Vicious circle. The solution is to throw another weight on the front or lower the drawbar a little. Throttling back is not the solution!



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JDGnut

02-12-2002 14:52:47




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 Re: Re: When to Throttle Back in a Wheelie? in reply to Balance, 02-12-2002 10:42:16  
Like stated above.. If you are in a class where U can not add any wieght.. (or like my tractor in a light class, all the wieght is at the front and it still comes up) Lower the draw bar.. just takes some playing with to get the correct height.. (than they will change the chain lenght.. and U get to start all over.. lol..) JDGnut



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