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Question for WTW -4010

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ed welsh

01-16-2005 15:02:35




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I want to change the stock wide front on a 4010 and go with a steering cyl. Also get rid of the stock hyd pump. What are my options to still have steering and brakes. My Father in law did a 6030 but he changed the steering column and made a up a char lynn steering column. is that the only way. he also changed the brakes to another Deere set up without the power assist.

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WTW

01-17-2005 07:02:54




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 Re: Question for WTW -4010 in reply to ed welsh, 01-16-2005 15:02:35  
ed, The first thing you will have to decide is whether you want power steering or not. Many use a rack and pinion out of some light weight automobile and run a mechanical linkage down to it. You still could keep power steering and make it light weight but will require some hydraulic work. The steering motor, steering valve, brake valve and main hydraulic pump would go if I was going to do it, because all of these parts are heavy and all are closed center type units which will not work for a simple open center system that you will replace it with. Use a steering cylinder, steering valve and maybe even a belt driven pump from an old combine. And fabricate them to replace what you have removed. All these open center parts would weigh lees than the steering valve alone you removed. For the brakes use a brake valve from a John Deere utility tractor like a 2020 or 2640 as they are a manual trapped oil system and will require no pressure from a pump to operate. If you want to go lighter yet you can get dual master cylinder units from racing suppliers that will work also, just use a low viscosity hydraulic fluid in them for brake fluid. I have seen guys use the combine steering axle and cylinder from the same machine. Most older combines use a small steering valve that looks/works like a charlyne type unit. Any small belt driven pump would work, one from a steering application would most likely be best because it will have a relief valve built into it to protect the system and a reservoir as part of it. Go the combine salvage yard and start looking and designing, there will be many options to use just figure out which one. Good Luck, DW

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ed welsh

01-18-2005 02:47:20




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 Re: Question for WTW -4010 in reply to WTW , 01-17-2005 07:02:54  
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ChadS

01-18-2005 08:28:40




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 Re: Question for WTW -4010 in reply to ed welsh, 01-18-2005 02:47:20  
How about a fully hydrostatic steering system? No linkage, just hoses, a pump, a flow divider, steering wheel pump, or servo, and a hydralic cyl as the rack and pinion. Now, not to mention mixing color parts, but IH had a hydrostatic steering system on the late 403 IH combines, I used one for my IH 460 puller, works very well, and had to mount a Ford power steering pump to the front of the engine for the belt. You could build a custom steering column, (lite weight) Just depends on what you want to do. Hope this helps, I have a few pictures if you may wanna see what it looks like, ChadS

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