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Letting newer tractors pull

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IH

01-09-2005 12:54:39




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First of all, there is not much left that's antique to a lot of these tractors that are pulling in the NATPA. Second, I think they're afraid that they'll have too much competition and will have to build something to compete. I believe what goes around comes around and it's comin' around!!! Just like you guys that run Divisions 2, 3, 4 & 5 have done to the stock tractors of the small clubs here in Michigan and around the country.

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Mopower

01-11-2005 06:07:24




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 Re: Letting newer tractors pull in reply to IH, 01-09-2005 12:54:39  
I am in favor of upping the year limit in stock classes in our own club. In a farm stock class, it is harder for newer tractors to balance as good as the old simple ones, so the playing field stays even. It's good to see new ones. In the more "mod" divisions, I'd be less inclined to combine them due to the better engines of later ones and the amount of legal stripping that can be done. Still not totally sure what I think, but there has to be a way to let 1960s tractors play too. They are getting up in age like the rest of them.

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a puller

01-10-2005 19:18:25




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 Re: Letting newer tractors pull in reply to IH, 01-09-2005 12:54:39  
I will pull Our JD A in any class between 4500 and 8000 against any tractor in a 3mph or less class.....I did this summer..got a 1st inb the 8000, and 2nd to a 4320 that my dad pulled in the 9000...ask 2clyinder. If its a speed limit reasonalbe...you can make ANY tractor compete...ya just gotta be smart and know your tractor..and have reasonalble limitations..like 12ft. from center of rear axle front end weights.....

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2 Cylinder

01-12-2005 14:22:45




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 Re: Letting newer tractors pull in reply to a puller, 01-10-2005 19:18:25  
The a puller is right! In the lighter classes, (4500-8000lb.) the newer tractors have nothing up on the antique's. At least that is the way it is up in Michigan. The antique's seemed to be balanced better for the lighter classes. I will let you know first hand this coming year when I start pulling a naturally aspirated diesel 4010 John Deere.



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Migraine

01-09-2005 21:37:18




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 Re: Letting newer tractors pull in reply to IH, 01-09-2005 12:54:39  
Our club here in the northwest has tried to keep the playing field even by keeping the stock tractors (mostly 1960 and older)in their own class with a 5 mph limit. We have 5 pulls a year and allow stock tractors of any age to pull at 4 of them with our annual threshing bee show, which runs for 4 days, limited to 1960 and older. At that one event the newer tractors can choose to pull in our farm stock or hot farm class with 12 mph limit, 3200 rpm limit, single turbo and 4 weight classes to choose from. We have picked up some additional tractors and more hook fees by opening up the 4 pulls. The antique and classic tractors are holding their own very well, because with a speed limit and rpm limit , a well balanced stock tractor will often out pull a hot rod. Our rules say that if a tractor did not come factory turboed, then if you add a turbo you pull in the farm stock class, and thats where it ends. We as a club have a pulling board and what they say goes since they have the whole clubs best interest at heart. We keep the bickering to a hush!

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t

01-09-2005 18:12:25




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 Re: Letting newer tractors pull in reply to IH, 01-09-2005 12:54:39  
we have a stock type class at AMERICAN FARMER PULLERS that allow these tractor to pull love to see you came and fun with us southeastern ohio or north west WVa we have a web page on under farm pullers classes are from 5000 up to 10500T



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2 Cylinder

01-12-2005 14:37:32




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 Re: Letting newer tractors pull in reply to t, 01-09-2005 18:12:25  
I just found your web site not to long ago, if your into farm pulling you'll want to check out the American Farm Pullers for photo's and video's. Like those John Deere 4010's and 4020's in the video's!



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kspuller

01-09-2005 16:36:48




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 Re: Letting newer tractors pull in reply to IH, 01-09-2005 12:54:39  
I have been around the sport of pulling for 35 years--haveing seen the rise and fall of the sport. Farm field gave way to the KTPA wich killed pulling in the state of Kansas until antique pulls came along. Next was classes for classic tracors. The antique boys about died when antique and classic classes were combined but everyone survived although there are fewer antiques today pulling. If even newer tractors are allowed it will mean ( I believe ) the steady slow decline of antique and classic tractor showing up to pull. The answer(althogh maybe not simple) may be that more classes are added for the newer tractors or that another pulling organization needs to be started.

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Jak

01-09-2005 17:33:00




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 Re: Letting newer tractors pull in reply to kspuller, 01-09-2005 16:36:48  
EXACTLY,add more classes no matter who wants the pull to be over quicker!Bring em and let them have thier fair chance.WORK EM IN!Jack(TN).



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1468 farmer

01-10-2005 12:56:47




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 Re: Letting newer tractors pull in reply to Jak, 01-09-2005 17:33:00  
hey jak sure would like a chance to pull my 1468 at dresden again just for fun. my daughter was asking about it the other day sure had a good time let me know when it is and if that is a option thanks todd



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Jak

01-10-2005 14:33:42




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 Re: Letting newer tractors pull in reply to 1468 farmer, 01-10-2005 12:56:47  
Come on down,we are having a non turbo class this year and we need some smokers.We were glad to have you and your daughter last May,just glad the rain held off.The TN Iris Festival pull will be the first Saturday in May.Good to hear from you again,Jack(TN).



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Jeff Oliver

01-10-2005 14:18:39




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 Re: Letting newer tractors pull in reply to 1468 farmer, 01-10-2005 12:56:47  
As far as I know they are going to have that class again this year. Ya'll come on out and hookup! I am going to have my Oliver 1800 LPG there this year as well. Hehe got the hole in the radiator plugged and want to see what it will do!!! I think another guy is going to have a IH 966 there also. Let's have FUN!!!!



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1468 farmer

01-10-2005 14:36:01




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 Re: Letting newer tractors pull in reply to Jeff Oliver, 01-10-2005 14:18:39  
hi jeff glad to hear you got your rad fixed had a good time last year thanks for the invite let me know the time and date i might bring 2 todd



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mEl

01-09-2005 15:57:22




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 Re: Letting newer tractors pull in reply to IH, 01-09-2005 12:54:39  
There is no dispute that there is a tremendous gap in technology starting 1960's and on. JD diesels were 404 cubes stock, Case 6's were minimum 401 - easily modified to 504 with stock parts both of these were capable of getting in the lighter classes with some work. While age wise they qualify as antiques, they still are relatively modern in features. What to do with them, I don't know but if mixed with the antiques as they are now defined there will be major dissatisfaction I'm sure those folks would get little pleasure out of beating an M or DC or an old tractor of any make. Maybe some classes just for later stuff?? Respectfully, mEl.

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Bryce

01-09-2005 19:01:11




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 Re: Letting newer tractors pull in reply to mEl, 01-09-2005 15:57:22  
I agree, I've been around it for nearly 30 years have seen the rise and fall also.Don't want to exclude anyone.Another class don't seem all that unreasonable.The neat thing about trying something new is you can still make rules to keep it in check.By the way I pull a 1948 Oliver 88,not that it makes a difference,but I believe that tire size and speed are the 2 most important rules.If you keep a lid on them the rest will take care of itself.Happy pulling to all.

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Sick and Tired of the Go

01-09-2005 15:14:06




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 Re: Letting newer tractors pull in reply to IH, 01-09-2005 12:54:39  
We are having a problem within one of those small clubs. I joined five years ago, and still considered an outsider. The "good ole boys" don't want to hear any comments from "new commers" at the meetings. As soon as you bring a tractor to the pull and whip butt they get all upset because they didn't win! This happened several times last season, now they want to change rules to fit to their liking. The good ole boys are the biggest cheats and whinners, we have no money or points to win just a two dollar ribbon. It just makes me sick to see a 62 year old man cry because he got beat by a new commer.

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Puller504

01-10-2005 05:10:23




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 Re: Letting newer tractors pull in reply to Sick and Tired of the Go, 01-09-2005 15:14:06  
Here in Medina, Ohio our club list of classes for our pulls for 2005 include about 20 classes! Most are stock (classic) classes with horsepower and weight limits. There are about a half-a-dozen antique (1952 or older) classes, a few truck classes (including diesel only) and an open class! We pull 2 sleds all day, there's a class or 2 for everyone, from 4500# up through 16000#. Don



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Jak

01-10-2005 05:18:13




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 Re: Letting newer tractors pull in reply to Puller504, 01-10-2005 05:10:23  
Do you all still have a big steam show since the accident a while back?Haven'theard anymore about it.Jack.



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Puller504

01-10-2005 07:02:03




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 Re: Letting newer tractors pull in reply to Jak, 01-10-2005 05:18:13  
The accident killed some of my friends. It happened while the steam engine owner was backing his engine into the display area, during setup for the County Fair which began the next day. The display and accident aren't related to our local tractor pulling club but did happen at the same place, The Medina County Fairgrounds. The spot where the engine exploded is now a memorial to those who died. The tragedy affected many lives, the widow of the steam engine owner lost her husband and her son that day. The county fair still sponsors a display, all units must be towed in.

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Jak

01-10-2005 07:56:24




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 Re: Letting newer tractors pull in reply to Puller504, 01-10-2005 07:02:03  
Thanks for the info,glad to hear they are still having it.I feel for the families involved.Jak



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new kid in town

01-09-2005 16:17:07




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 Re: Letting newer tractors pull in reply to Sick and Tired of the Go, 01-09-2005 15:14:06  
sounds like you pull at columbiana county.



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o,kspuller

01-09-2005 19:18:04




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 Re: Letting newer tractors pull in reply to new kid in town, 01-09-2005 16:17:07  
Just maybe if the natpa put a new class in for 1957 to what ever year , Make a div 6 for those years with out torbos, with a speed of 18 miles hr, why not would make monney for every one , just a thought



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Jeff Oliver

01-09-2005 20:56:28




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 Re: Letting newer tractors pull in reply to o,kspuller, 01-09-2005 19:18:04  
I agree with adding anothe class for the local pulls if needed. I do think however as long as it is an antique or classic tractor pull they should put a limit of no turbos. The reasoning for that is that in alot of the bigger organizations (NTPA) there is already a class for those. It is call Hot Farm I believe. I am sure there are alot of other org. in the country that have something similer but that one is the one around here so it is the one I am familier with. But hey, if a couple of turbo tractors show up at a pull let them have at it! I like watching them as much as anyone else. :)

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