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ontfarmboy

12-22-2004 08:26:02




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We have about 6 local associations here in east-central ontario that are considering getting together and building or buying a weight transfer sled that we could use at our local pulls,Our classes range from 3500 to 19000,it would be pulled back by a tractor and would be nice if all the weight could stay on the boat at all times.Any assistance would be appreciated,Thank You




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gw

12-24-2004 09:46:59




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 Re: weight transfer sled in reply to ontfarmboy, 12-22-2004 08:26:02  
sled and scale for sale call 402 735 7436



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Lamont

12-23-2004 04:31:24




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 Re: weight transfer sled in reply to ontfarmboy, 12-22-2004 08:26:02  
The first sled I pulled back in 1980 had the actual sled part built large enough to park a tractor on. It was an ugly old thing but it sure did work well. In the small classes, there was nothing parked on the sled. Only the weight transfer box was needed. I can't remember for sure but it seems we started parking tractors on the sled at about the 9000 lb. class. As the classes got heavier, we would park a bigger tractor on the sled. The driver stays on the tractor that is parked on the sled. When you get to end of your pull, the tractor parked on the sled drives off and backs down the track as the sled is being pulled back to the starting line. We pulled 4000 lb. up to 21000 lb. single and dual wheel classes We pulled a 4 wheel drive class once in the mid 80s and parked a Case 550 dozer on the sled. The only two tractors that pulled were a Case 2670 and John Deere 8630. Neither one got a full pull. By the way, there was a scotch block on the sled so the tractor on the sled would be parked in the same spot every time. Keeps everything fair.

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thejdman01

12-22-2004 18:35:51




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 Re: weight transfer sled in reply to ontfarmboy, 12-22-2004 08:26:02  
one way ive seen a sled go from way light to the heavy calsses although not real real fair is to add a front bar or spikes (depending on how much drag you need) to the front of the sled). of course this was a sled with air bags and wheels on the front and was motorized so the bar/spikes could be lifted when going backwards. this however is not totally fair becaseu it is very hard to get the track packed down real well between tractors and most tracks have clay on top and a harder base below so once you start getting rid of clay on top the alter tractors witll either have it easier(clay broke up ) or harder cause they are down to the base. it can be done if you have a real good heavy vibrating roller and a good leveler. another problem ive seen from all the places ive pulled is with 3 point levelers as the tractor goes over the hump of dirt made by the tractor spinning out it raises the leveler up and sddenly the track starts to not become level. also i have seen alot of times the roller just inst heavy enough and where all the tractors start stopping the track gets a dip but again a good roller and a good track are key. the high horse ones esp like to tear the track up. but if you are in a real bind you could have hydraulic/or air wheels on the front that pick the front of the sled up and add a bar or some spkes that dig in when the sled is let down. how deep i cannot say it depends on track conditions and tractors. ive seen a 3 inch bar added that stopped 10,000 lb modified. the spikes/bar is in conjunction with the weights and the box wieght on the pan

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Ironman

12-22-2004 20:35:56




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 Re: weight transfer sled in reply to thejdman01, 12-22-2004 18:35:51  
The spikes work really well and you'd be surprised what you can stop with those. The only problem is they act just like plows and tear the track to pieces. Usually the more that pull the worse the track gets, but the further they go because it gets easier for the spikes to move through the dirt. Bars under the pan work really well and most sleds built to stop the big, high horsepower tractors use those.

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Ironman

12-22-2004 18:04:22




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 Re: weight transfer sled in reply to ontfarmboy, 12-22-2004 08:26:02  
I agree with colekicker it's really not possible for a single sled to pull that wide of a weight range and power effectively. Are your heavier classes (i.e. 10,000 and up) mostly turboed diesel tractors or are they still antiques? It may be worth your while to go with a motorized sled, but be VERY CAREFUL if you buy a used one. There are a lot out there that are total junk. I know of two good ones for sale right now. One is the red Decision Maker sled owned by Richard Love out of Pennsylvania. You can read more about it here:
Decision Maker
The other is the Downhill Express owned by the Lowry Brothers. You can see it here:
Downhill Express. It is the sled in the left picture once you get there. If you are willing to think about a new motorized sled, there are two people who build them for sale, Vaughn Bauer and Dave Hager. Read about them here:
Bauer Built Mfg. - Ironman sleds.
Hager Motorsports - Old Ironsides sleds.
The new sleds are the best of the best, but you're looking at close to $200k. The two used sleds I listed are in the $60k range.
All of those sleds are geared toward the heavier, faster trucks/tractors, but will pull antiques ok too, just probably not as light as 3500 lbs. Sleds built just for antiques are a lot easier to come by and not all junk. You should probably be able to find a good used one, but again if it's motorized make sure you know what you're getting.

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ontfarmboy

12-23-2004 05:19:46




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 Re: weight transfer sled in reply to Ironman, 12-22-2004 18:04:22  
We are looking to keepthis fairly lowbudget which I know is hard to do to get a sled that will work properly.Most of our tractors will be farm stock with a little tinkering done to them up to 250-300 hp and a few econo mods.we also need to check insurance for a joint venture of this nature,that may ground the whole idea.



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colekicker

12-22-2004 11:17:08




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 Re: weight transfer sled in reply to ontfarmboy, 12-22-2004 08:26:02  
It may be a little hard to find a sled that will effectively pull a 3500 lb tractor and still be able to stop a 19000 lb tractor, b/c one of the two is gonna get a raw end of the deal. If you are building one from scratch, you may look into building one that is motorized.



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ol George

12-22-2004 18:02:43




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 Re: weight transfer sled in reply to colekicker, 12-22-2004 11:17:08  
I believe that would be impossible unless it has a box where wt can be added or subtracted easily. The Bauer bilt sleds can be made to stop either class easily, front end loader and a few minutes changes everything. I don't know how economically feasible it would be for a startup sled. Did the UPOTC association ever sell there old sled it might be sufficient for what you are wanting.



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Jak

12-22-2004 10:07:11




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 Re: weight transfer sled in reply to ontfarmboy, 12-22-2004 08:26:02  
A friend of mine here in our area bought a sled locally that had been retired at a decent price and now he has been reworking some things.He was going to build one from the ground up till he found this one.Lots of things are already done saving some time and material doing it this way.(I need to be helping right now)If you can find an older one in your area retired at a fair price it would probably be less time consuming to just repair and modify some things rather than starting from scratch.Good luck to you.

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