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champspa

11-12-2004 14:48:06




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how much can you take off a 450 farmall head ?




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ChadS

11-13-2004 06:14:15




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 Re: head grinding in reply to champspa, 11-12-2004 14:48:06  
When you have the head off, you can measure the plate thickenss at the water port hole casting. If you farm with it, use it daily,, keep the plate thickness, no thinner than .300 thick. Anything beond .300, is what you can mill off the head. If it is a full time puller, only track duty, you can go down to .250 on the plate thickness, I would have the head magnafluxed the head before you mill it. Do you have a late model cam in that M? ChadS

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champspa

11-13-2004 08:08:39




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 Re: head grinding in reply to ChadS, 11-13-2004 06:14:15  
Chad it's a 450 cam in a 281 block about 70hp with 210lbs cylinder pressure stock bore and stroke , just wondering another .050 would go to 240 lbs and maybe 75 hp to 80



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bud barenie

11-13-2004 15:05:47




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 Re: head grinding in reply to champspa, 11-13-2004 08:08:39  
champsa:
needing information, how did you identify the cam as a 450 cam ! i just purchased one from a salvage yard ! want to make sure the numbers were rite

any help would be appreaciated !



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champspa

11-13-2004 15:46:15




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 Re: head grinding in reply to bud barenie, 11-13-2004 15:05:47  
Hey Bud I've done all the rebuilds on this engine it's a 450 made in Feb. 1957 . I didn't take the numbers on the cam I did match the numbers on the motor and frame to the month and yr the tractor was made . the numbers in the book call for a 48196dbx on a Sm, 400, or 450 farmall hope this helps



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ChadS

11-13-2004 10:18:18




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 Re: head grinding in reply to champspa, 11-13-2004 08:08:39  
.050 wont get you to 240, 215,maybe 220 for the high side at another .050 taken off. What head are you running now to get 210? Either you got some big domes in it, or it has an lp head? Had a 53 SM in the shop, with a LP head at 264 ci. 200 psi, was 75 at 540,, At 281ci,, at that kind of compression you have, it should be pretty darn close to 75-78 already. The numbers are there to make that kind of HP! Put it back on the dyno, if has been a while and have done some modifications to it since the last time you had it on the dyno, What venturi are you running??? is it the big 6 cyl venturi?? ChadS

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champspa

11-13-2004 11:59:21




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 Re: head grinding in reply to ChadS, 11-13-2004 10:18:18  
havn't checked the hp lately it was 68hp at 190lbs, havn't dynoed it since. but now at 210 the hp has increased and I do have big domes.



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champspa

11-13-2004 12:03:53




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 Re: head grinding in reply to champspa, 11-13-2004 11:59:21  

I have a 450 stock carb. I can get all the gas to the motor it wants in cooler weather warmer weather it's a little to white on the spark plug



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ChadS

11-14-2004 06:32:38




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 Re: head grinding in reply to champspa, 11-13-2004 12:03:53  
Did you rejet the carb? you may need a bit more on the metering stem holes. Warmer air, usually takes less fuel, cooler air, takes more,,. At an idle,, does the carb flange get cold, or frost a bit? I think I would double check the venturi size,, make sure it is not the 6 cyl venturi. It hurts the HP at 540, and the lugging power with the big venturi in the 4 cyl engines. Any Super M or 400-450 venturi will be really close to what you need. Just hope it is still from the 450,,, Only reason I say this is because you never know what is in the carbs when you get them. 50 year old parts, anything can be in there,, LOL!! The next time you dyno that engine,, run it at 540 for about a minute solid,, then immediatly shut it down, pull out the plugs and check the color. If they are whiteish,, you need more fuel, black,, you need less. It is at 540,, at a lug,, is where the plug color needs to be looked at. That will tell you if you have the burn right in the cyl. The plug color needs to be a nice cocoa brown color. Now another point I need to bring up,,, Did you read the post I left about the Super M with the LP head on it,, that I tuned up 2 weeks ago? It was 75hp, with room for more power. His fuel gave up on it. He was running race gas, with pump gas mixed in,, and it was burning up inthe cyl too fast, and when I gave it more fuel, it just started smoking black,, real bad,, looked at the plugs,, and they were spotted, different colors onthe electrode, and could not get a good long burn in the cyl to get the cocoa brown I like to see on them. What fuel are you running? It needs to ba a slow burning, higher octane fuel. race fuels,, are a fast burning, high octane fuel,, you need a slow burning fuel in an antique puller, the reason is,, it is under 2500 rpm. That is why I like Ethanol so much,, I mix it with 94 pump gas, and the Ethanol gives me the preigntion, and detonation control it needs, and gives octane, and more power at the same time. I can fire a 300psi gas engine and not have any problems with detonation (etc) and make power with the fuel. It is a very very slow burning fuel, and has the octane to run the slow rpm engine perfectly. at any compression ratio. At least in the IH's. LOL. So, check your fuel, check your venturi size, and plug color at 540 on the dyno. I left my email unlocked,, email me,, I have more info on the dyno tuning info, what to look for and such,,, ChadS

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farmall

11-15-2004 10:47:21




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 Re: head grinding in reply to ChadS, 11-14-2004 06:32:38  
Chads, Where can you purchase ethanol?
thanks in advance



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ChadS

11-16-2004 05:08:05




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 Re: head grinding in reply to farmall, 11-15-2004 10:47:21  
North Central COOP. Wabash Indiana. ChadS



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