Welcome! Please use the navigational links to explore our website.
PartsASAP LogoCompany Logo (800) 853-2651

Shop Now

   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver

Attention Forum Users: On the 28th of December 2023 at 9:00am Central Time, we will be taking the forums down for maintenance while we prepare the new forums for your use. Please click here for more information.

Tractor Pulling Discussion Forum

setting valvles with a compression gauge-Chad

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author 
slowsmoke

05-14-2004 12:19:14




Report to Moderator

saw a post a while back stating you set valves with a compression gauge. Explain this for a dummie! Thanks




[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
ChadS

05-14-2004 16:29:59




Report to Moderator
 Re: setting valvles with a compression gauge-Chad in reply to slowsmoke, 05-14-2004 12:19:14  
Yes. and have found a few extra ponies in the process. By doing this, you are kinda tuning your valve train, and camshaft to create peak cyl pressure. This method dont usually work in a high rpm engine, (over 4000 rpm) because the clearnces tighten up a bit more at higher rpm. Lower rpm engines dont do that as much. Basicly, I am tightening the valve lash, till I find peak cyl pressure,then that is the valve lash setting for that rocker arm. I do one cyl at a time, both valves closed, and engine warm. the compression guage, it like checking your work, if the pressure increases, then drops after an adjustment, the valve is too tight. It makes them run a bit quieter too. the biggest deal is to make sure the engine temp stays warmed up. On several different tractor engines, I have found anywhere from 5-25psi more by this method of adjustment. that extra pressure in the cyl, means horse power, if you get alot of pressure after the adjustment, you may have to richen the fuel mixture. Hope this helps. ChadS

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
redcub

05-14-2004 20:15:25




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: setting valvles with a compression gauge-C in reply to ChadS, 05-14-2004 16:29:59  
I broke in my engine today for about an hour and a half. I checked compression and all but one were about 145 to 148. The one was about 128. Would the above method work to help this one cylinder? I used a feeler gage at .020. When you say "both valves closed" is this when the rocker arm is at the highest position (most slack)? Is .020 where I need to be?



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
ChadS

05-15-2004 10:33:05




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: setting valvles with a compression gau in reply to redcub, 05-14-2004 20:15:25  
Valve lash can, and does affect cyl pressure. too loose of gap, you lose all your camshaft specs, lift and duration is lost when they are too loose. Too tight, and the valves are held open and creates a leak, and eventually will burn the valve. I would say that the one low pressure cyl is not broke in all the way. new engines,,,, the more they run, the better they get, Breaking the engine in without a dyno, takes a bit longer than usual, the best way to break it in is to work the engine to establish a true seat in pattern in the rings. keep running it, it will pump up with the others in no time. Yes, this method will help all the cyls,, but you will fight it because the pressure is fluctuating so much due to break in, that you wont get an accurate reading at this time. Magic number for IH valve lash is .013to .014. on my 460, I took the old combine engine out, rebuilt the head, and put it together. It was famous for burning valves, so that was why we stopped using the combine, anyways,,, I was setting the valve lash at stock settings, and ran it, it was 135psi. It has 3-9/16 bore firecraters in it. it was also 64 hp or in that area, I eneded up at .012 on the exhaust, and .014 on the intakes, on this engine that is where it made peak cyl pressure, it is now at 155 to 160psi, just by a valve adjustment! I had to rejet the carb, and the timing to complimet the pressure increase, on pump gas 94 octane it is 73hp at 540. engine is a 263ci. Not bad at all for an engine that has not been rebuilt on the bottom end! ChadS

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
redcub

05-15-2004 20:04:32




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Re: setting valvles with a compression in reply to ChadS, 05-15-2004 10:33:05  
The low compression cylinder is a new replacement piston. When I went to install these used domes, one was cracked and I got a replacement. Would this affect compression? I figured that it being new would make more compression. It sure is purdy all gleaming silver!



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
ChadS

05-15-2004 20:16:09




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: setting valvles with a compres in reply to redcub, 05-15-2004 20:04:32  
Run it a while longer, if the piston matches the others, it will pump up pressure when the rings properly seat in place. is it a new sleeve, or the old one? ChadS



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
redcub

05-16-2004 18:20:55




Report to Moderator
 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: setting valvles with a com in reply to ChadS, 05-15-2004 20:16:09  
Old sleeve...blew the budget and ran out of money. Hey, I did manage to beat a super 88 Oliver and a really good A JD yesterday in the 4500. We ran on a really tight track, it took major HP to spin out. It seemed to run better in the 4500 than the 4000. Wheel slippage was negligible in both classes--the only difference I can tell is that I did not run my engine as long before the 4500 lb class as I did for the 4000. On another subject, how much weight difference is there between my cast wheels with 13.9 and pressed steel using Oliver 77 hubs and 15.9s? I really think I need to be pulling in the 3500 LB.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
We sell tractor parts!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2023 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy