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How High Octane For 10.5 to 1 Motor

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Northwest-Tom

05-05-2004 20:24:02




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I have a AC-WD motor with 4 1/8 bore X 5" stroke, Wormed over tall head, modified cam, D-17 carb and electronic ignition with about 10.5 to 1 CR. Is 94 Octane pump gas all that is needed?




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buickanddeere

05-06-2004 08:15:40




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 Re: How High Octane For 10.5 to 1 Motor in reply to Northwest-Tom, 05-05-2004 20:24:02  
Try blending 100LL aviation fuel until she doesn't knock when lugged.



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Northwest-Tom

05-06-2004 14:16:15




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 Re: Re: How High Octane For 10.5 to 1 Motor in reply to buickanddeere, 05-06-2004 08:15:40  
Any problem with running the 100 octane LL without blending it with 94 octane? This is a motor I put togeather over the off season and currently have stright 100LL in it to test run the motor. I agree that the quality of the 94 pump gas is very poor and would like to stay away from blending if I can. I have test pulled a couple of heavy item's to get some load on the tractor with the 100LL in it and have had no knocking so far.

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buickanddeere

05-06-2004 17:03:54




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 Re: Re: Re: How High Octane For 10.5 to 1 Motor in reply to Northwest-Tom, 05-06-2004 14:16:15  
Aviation fuel stores better than pump gas. Not going sour/stale or gumming carbs as fast. It's real disturbing to have an aircraft engine fail in flight. We store the gassers in the off season with aviation 100LL in the tank/carb.



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ChadS

05-06-2004 05:53:52




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 Re: How High Octane For 10.5 to 1 Motor in reply to Northwest-Tom, 05-05-2004 20:24:02  
Hello! You have to look at how much compression pressure is in your engine. I would say that yes, you need a minimum of 94 octane, I would not recommend pump gas in this case, If your engine has 200psi or less, 94 will run it, if it is over 200 psi, increase the octane up to 98-100. All you have to do is run enough octane to prevent preigntion, and detonation. Actually, octane don't make HP, it controls detonation, and preignition, and too much octane creates contaminates, and rob you of power. It does not burn completly clean. and what is left over in the cyl, is the extra octane and additives that you don't need. Try a starting point of 98, if it starts well, runs without popping, or dieseling after you shut the engine off, you have enough octane in the fuel. Octane is sometimes misleading, some see it as a power booster, it helps a bit, but it is more for a running characteristic in the engine rather that making power. Hope this helps, Chad

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Northwest-Tom

05-06-2004 14:27:46




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 Re: Re: How High Octane For 10.5 to 1 Motor in reply to ChadS, 05-06-2004 05:53:52  
Thank's for the information. The motor has 210PSI.
I agree that the quality of 94 octane pump gas is very poor and would like to use 100LL Av gas if this would work. I have test run the motor with this gas pulling a large load to get some load on the tractor and it ran pretty well with no knocking. What do you think?



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ChadS

05-06-2004 18:58:56




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 Re: Re: Re: How High Octane For 10.5 to 1 Motor in reply to Northwest-Tom, 05-06-2004 14:27:46  
Sounds like you will have a good running tractor! After you go out pulling that large load, shut it down, and pull out a spark plug, see what it looks like, lighter color in the plug, too lean, needs more fuel, if it is blacker in color, lean it out a bit, My preference is a nice cocoa brown plug color. Also, when the plugs are too light in color, you will have heat problems, lean engines will run a bit warmer than normal, could also be a sign to look for too. Hope this helps ya! Good Luck! ChadS

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right on

05-06-2004 07:09:44




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 Re: Re: How High Octane For 10.5 to 1 Motor in reply to ChadS, 05-06-2004 05:53:52  
Higher octane just means the gas is harder to ignite and burns slower. The lowest octane you can burn without preignition or detonation is the one that will give you the most power. The only exception to this is if you have a poor quality gas (i.e. old, etc.). Then the higher octane could show you a boost in power.



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