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NATPA WHATS GONNA HAPPEN

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confussed

01-29-2004 17:39:11

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I pull stock div.III tractors now and would like to know what is going to happen to div.V IN THE NATPA. I would like to try my luck but, I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO START! Whether it may be a oliver or IH. stroker motor or maybe RPM. how about miles per hour tractor 10--15 maybe. Does anyone have any idea! We all have our opinions about this bunch and I would rather not start with mine, but this is the rules in my area. Thanks in advance for all the help!

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Also confused

01-29-2004 18:25:47

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Re: NATPA WHATS GONNA HAPPEN in reply to confussed, 01-29-2004 17:39:11

Been wondering the same. Oliver pullers want IHC 460, 560 rpms lowered. IHC pullers say 460 560 can't make as cu. in. as Olivers. Smaller tractors IHC h Oliver 77 AC WC want weight restrickens so they have a class. Some people are worried about saftey reg. on high rpm tractors. I guess the pullers will get it figured out in April.

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Scott Boehler

01-29-2004 19:40:57

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Re: Re: NATPA WHATS GONNA HAPPEN in reply to Also confused, 01-29-2004 18:25:47

I think that not everyone can aford to build a Div V tractor. Before the RPM change for the 460 & 560 there was more tractors pulling in the classes. Promotors cant aford to buy awards for a class that has only 1 or 2 tractors in it.
something needs to be done to atract more entries. By no means do I have the answers nore do I claim too. It just isnt fun to see so many good tractors with no competition. It is very hard to change rules back. The members need to remind the Board that the NATPA is their organization and remind them that thats why they
pay memberships and attend pulls. By this I mean if it takes more than 1 hour for the meeting so be it. Now is the time to try to fix the problem before it gets worse. In closing I would like to say I enjoy the Div V tractors and always tryed to flag them when I could. The class has a place in the NATPA it just needs more entries.No matter what happens not everybody will be happy but if the majority is pleased the the class will prosper. Don't mean to start a war just my oppinon. Scott

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Green weenie

01-30-2004 18:58:37

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Re: Re: Re: NATPA WHATS GONNA HAPPEN in reply to Scott Boehler, 01-29-2004 19:40:57

Scott enlighten thes folks what it is like to be on the board, and then what happens when you get booted off when you can*t afford their life style,I not only voted for you one but twice and couldn*t keep your a$$ on there for representation, you were replaced both times by people they chose not me what kind of voice is that, hope to see you again real soon....Green

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cold truth

01-29-2004 20:44:22

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Re: Re: Re: NATPA WHATS GONNA HAPPEN in reply to Scott Boehler, 01-29-2004 19:40:57

the rpms issue with 460's is the problem. there used to be a lot of tractors in it, but due to Bear swindling NATPA into changing it, he messed up the whole association!! div 5 either quit or went div 4; div 4 quit or went div 3, same went for 3 down to div 2!! see the pattern!! the NATPA members need to get the rpms issue fixed! i was told that 460/560's are running 74% over their stock rpms!!!!! 74%!!!!! since they claim 660 rpms, that's what it is!!!! we need this fixed! i do not pull div 5, but, this is outrageous!! i was told it'd be like me pulling our 37A JD in div 3 versus an M IH getting 20.8x38 tire size and extra speed allowance over me! YES, I'D BE MAD TOO!!! Let's fix this problem this April!! CHADS, please don't respond----you cause more trouble than you do good!! No offense....just the COLD TRUTH!!

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ChadS

01-30-2004 09:17:03

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Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA WHATS GONNA HAPPEN in reply to cold truth, 01-29-2004 20:44:22

Just can't help it. It is people like you in this organization that tell people not to voice their opinions and keep quiet. Silencing the voters is not the way to do it. In a perfect world,, everyone would vote and voice what the pullers want, not just a few selected. So if I am asked to be quiet,, I vote to keep it the same as it is. And you go build something that will run with them. or stop whinnining and telling people to be quiet. I am not the problem here, I did not make the rules, you all did. You want cold truth? They are walking all over you pullers, and you guys take it!! Make a stand, and vote for change. Me,, I will voice my opinion, especially when some one tell sme to be quiet!! That is why the rules are like this, because you guys don't have the gonads to stand up and say hey!! We are sick of this, and not going to take it anymore!! People like you makes me glad I stopped pulling in NATPA,, this "Holier than thou attitude" sucks, and makes a good puller want to go out there and stretch the rules, even break em, just to make a point. When you ask for everyones opinion,, and actually listen to them, then you will make change. Convincing enough voters to make a change is how to do it man,, When I read posts like this,, I laugh. Why? because youi did not stand for what you belive in. put that in your JD pipe and smoke it.

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Hypocrite

01-30-2004 11:44:00

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA WHATS GONNA HAPPEN in reply to ChadS, 01-30-2004 09:17:03

Hey Chads,you are talking about voting and changing rules but complaining about the club that allows the pullers to do that.(NATPA)The club you pull with(USAP) one person sets the rules without the pullers vote. I am not complaining about either group, just showing how your simple mind works.

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ChadS

01-30-2004 12:30:19

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA WHATS GONNA HAPPEN in reply to Hypocrite, 01-30-2004 11:44:00

That is how it is. One man, no Bull, and no complaints. Let's see, how many persons do you see on here that say that they have had a bad pulling experience witht he USAP? He rules the roost, he has a vision, how he belives how a pull will be run. Not 8 other persons, who are on the take, and make rules for the big dollar tractor teams out there. Simple minds do not make difficult issues, the come up with simple solutions. Not have a big ol supper, and sit around and brag about how great they are, and not listen to their organization. Ol John in my opinion has is the right idea. his rules are simple, make the weight, have the safety equipment, hitch specs, and keep it under the speed limit. How difficult is that? No complaining, no one saying well, this guy is doing this, and this guy is doing that,, he is a cheater, he wave around a dollar to buy a rule. It is not like that in USAP. If it was,, you would hear the names that regularly pull USAP like you hear Bear and company. The members who pull with the USAP pull with them because they want to pull, not be told how to do it, and have big brother riding on the drawbar. What is the real issue that you want to see? I belive the USAP keeps the political BS out of the organization, NATPA want to be like a huge government and show how politics really are, corrupt, and bias. You said it your self, they made rules for certain tractors and their owners.

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ChadS

01-30-2004 12:40:47

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA WHATS GONNA HAP in reply to ChadS, 01-30-2004 12:30:19

Sir, another point I would like to make is that the NATPA asks the pullers of it's organization to come the big meeting and vote for rule changes. That makes it a political situation. When the "government" asks the people what they want, and have a vote, that is the way they choose to do it. Like I said, sit around, and not listen to what the pullers are really saying. I can remember when the NATPA, said that these rules will stand for like the next 3 years. well 3 years are up,, on some rules, and members are not happy. and yet, they remain the same. If someone wants to belong to a national pulling club,, and they don't like the politics that goes on, (like we all read on here)Vote board members who will do something!! Say hey!! This is not right, because the members say it is not, not because a hand full say it is. When that day comes, when the pullers are making the right rules, then the controversey will stop, and harmony will exist. Come on, it is that darn simple

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farmall

01-30-2004 13:59:52

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA WHATS GONNA in reply to ChadS, 01-30-2004 12:40:47

USAP is a dictatorship. I have pulled with them a couple of times. It was almost like a brush pull!
A Cockshut 50 with the wrong engine running way to many rpm's. Many tractors engines were running too fast. Never herd anyone complain, because most all people were doing the same thing. With NATPA the members that want to vote make the annual spring meeting and issues are voted on. The people whinning eather didn't bother to go to the meeting or are not members.
In eather case, these people are whinners and always will be. Just my 3 cents worth

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ChadS

01-30-2004 14:09:38

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA WHATS G in reply to farmall, 01-30-2004 13:59:52

Well said. rpms, will be higher than they are supposed to be,, where ever you go. there will be tractors with wrong engines in them too. Sure it may not be right, but that is how is goes I guess. All I can say is,, vote for what you all belive in, and want.

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DIV V PULLER

01-29-2004 21:22:17

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Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA WHATS GONNA HAPPEN in reply to cold truth, 01-29-2004 20:44:22

what does everone think?

if the 460 & 560 RPMS were lowered to 130% of factory like the olivers ect. would the class be a pretty even match? or would the IHC,s be put at a disadvantage? olivers or something else have a big advantage. just wondering.

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Wild Horses

01-30-2004 10:37:01

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA WHATS GONNA HAPPEN in reply to DIV V PULLER, 01-29-2004 21:22:17

We have a 560 & a Super 77 that trade 1st & 2nd back and forth down here. Granted that's only Open Gear, 130% RPM. But everything else being equal, it does work. Those Div 5 tractors have a lot more in them than these guys do. But my point is 130% doesn't have to be an advantage/disadvantage.
For many years, tractor pulling has been "what can I get away with?". That's one reason alot of the old timers got out of it back in the 70s-80s. And what discourages some new blood. Most associations relied on other pulers to keep you "honest" and some still do. The trouble with the old challenge system is that everyone's cheating (don't try to tell me you're not) and no one wants to say anything.
Sounds like you "other guys" haven't been doing your job to keep these guys honest.

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exactly

01-30-2004 03:41:47

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA WHATS GONNA HAPPEN in reply to DIV V PULLER, 01-29-2004 21:22:17

30% over is only fair way! bear/brooks swindled you all getting the 660 stuff! they know its wrong, they just can't believe they're getting away with it!!

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WILDMAN

01-30-2004 04:34:53

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA WHATS GONNA HAPPEN in reply to exactly, 01-30-2004 03:41:47

JUST SET A MAX RPM 2500 SAY FOR ALL BRANDS DEBATE OVER!

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Red

01-30-2004 08:40:44

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA WHATS GONNA HAP in reply to WILDMAN, 01-30-2004 04:34:53

Hey Guys, Not a division 5 puller but a strong div 3 here in Texas where we pull and moving up to division 4 this season (we dont have div 5 here so 4 is the highest and most modified we have) would like pull 5 in the future but I run a farmall H I am for the weight limits. Make div 5 weights liek the rest of the weight classes so the smaller tractors H, 77, etc. can pull div 5 and not have to worry about a big oliver or 460, keep thes big tractors above 4,000#. I think a lot more smallers tractor would make a go at it. Red

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Green weenie

01-30-2004 18:48:25

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA WHATS GONNA in reply to Red, 01-30-2004 08:40:44

Turn em loose, who gives a fat rats a$$ what the dozen of these tractors done. How much money have they brought in extra for prize purse---NONE---if they are such crowd pleasers why aren*t the promoters charging and filling the stand, and give us something more than ribbons or plaques? Turn em loose when they blow these machines up we can continue to pay the bills and tractor pull!

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DIV 4 PULLER

01-31-2004 18:44:45

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA WHATS G in reply to Green weenie, 01-30-2004 18:48:25

How many of you were at the meeting last April? I see alot of preaching about voting for the rules, but you can*t vote when Burch stands up and makes a motion to leave Div 3 @ 4 rules the same as they were. He got a second right away and the meeting was basically over. Anybody remember that? That is BS in my book. What are you to do when they pull that stunt?

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Green Weenie

01-31-2004 18:54:11

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA WHA in reply to DIV 4 PULLER, 01-31-2004 18:44:45

I agree with you totally except one pooint,two fellas from Ohio made and seconded the motion, Rhoda was chairing the meeting and Birch was asleep!

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Div 4 Puller

02-01-2004 13:25:33

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA in reply to Green Weenie, 01-31-2004 18:54:11

I thought it was Steve that made the motion,not Bill. Sorry! After 3 hours of talking about Div 2 nobody wanted to sit there any longer so they wanted to get it over with. BTW I do remember Bill having a little nap, Ha Ha! He*s not interested in changing Div 4 because he got it the way he wants it a few years ago.

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