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How about some newbie pulling tips?

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Scott

01-21-2004 06:32:37




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I've got a strong stock WD45. The problem is that I only get to one pull a year in a small town. This year, I may get to another one as well. The track I pulled at last year was so hard, the good runs I saw only picked up a small curl of dirt on the leading edge of the lugs. This was a long chain sled.

I know about hitch height, proper weighting, etc, but what about the engine side? Pull in 2nd as low as she'll keep running? Full boar? I'm not getting how to hook her up. I just spun her after a fairly short distance, and that was all she wrote... didn't even pull the engine down.

How about some help for someone that just wants to show up for fun.

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buickanddeere

01-22-2004 05:01:30




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 Re: How about some newbie pulling tips? in reply to Scott, 01-21-2004 06:32:37  
From what I've both seen and done I agree most with "Fun & Wild Horses". A dry tire wearing cast weight will pull more than a wet tire. No risk of calcuim mess on the track if someone tears a valve stem. I've even seen them seep fluid between the tire bead and rim on tubeless applications. Anytime I've tried feathering the throttle when in a spin hole has caused a bog then a stall. The tires threw the loose dirt away and regained grip. Is the local track a sticky clay power track, loose limestone screenings or something in between? Did she lift the front or the steering get light?

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Scott

01-22-2004 09:19:21




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 Re: Re: How about some newbie pulling tips? in reply to buickanddeere, 01-22-2004 05:01:30  
buicanddeere,This pull was in a town where if someone's dog dies, the posted population goes down. The track was HARD packed black dirt. Anyone that spun didn't even dig in an inch I don't think. The ground is in town, and for years was a playground and football field. The front end didn't get light, and that was due to my weight problem, and I know my lugs weren't sharp enough to bite in. I had no weights to add, which I hope to remidy this year.

Like I said, this is just to say I've done it. Actually the tractor was bought to supliment the lower hp tractor we have on the farm....the brush hog was just too hard on her. Still no reason I can't have a little fun with her once in a while.

Guess I'll make some changes for this year's pull, and see if I can get her down the track better. Right now, I think the small tractor will out pull my allis. It's loaded with nearly new 5 yr old tires.

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buickanddeere

01-22-2004 11:35:41




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 Re: Re: Re: How about some newbie pulling tips? in reply to Scott, 01-22-2004 09:19:21  
A longer drawbar that stiff and won't droop will lever more weight off the front onto the drive wheels. Cheaper to try than ballast and won't cause rust. What tire pressure was in there?



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Agent Orange

01-21-2004 18:15:07




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 Re: How about some newbie pulling tips? in reply to Scott, 01-21-2004 06:32:37  
What size tire are you running? Most around here go with 38"s Bigger contact patch they say. I still run 28's on my WD and play with the tire pressure. Don't think loading helps. I have been down as low as 4 psi on a real hard track 8 psi on a softer one. I agree with the rest just go have fun!!!



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torque

01-21-2004 16:01:49




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 Re: How about some newbie pulling tips? in reply to Scott, 01-21-2004 06:32:37  
it's torque to the ground, Not HP. play with tire pressure/ weight. remember, it's a FUN hobby



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TJ

01-21-2004 11:02:20




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 Re: How about some newbie pulling tips? in reply to Scott, 01-21-2004 06:32:37  
You may not want to load your new tires, some clubs do not allow it, you should check the rules of the clubs you are going to pull with.A lot of pullers would rather pull with partially worn tires than new ones. Good Luck TJ



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Wild Horses

01-21-2004 14:48:54




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 Re: Re: How about some newbie pulling tips? in reply to TJ, 01-21-2004 11:02:20  
The dryer the better. New soft tires will roll the bar back on a hard track.



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2 Cylinder

01-21-2004 07:52:29




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 Re: How about some newbie pulling tips? in reply to Scott, 01-21-2004 06:32:37  
Keep hitch as high and as short as the rules allow, put enough of your movable on the back to make your front end light, just so the front tires will just leave the ground at the end of your pull. When you start the sled off the line, start out just above an idle, give your tires time to hook to the track. When your tires are hooked up, increase your RPM'S to full throttle. Choose your spot on the track that you want to go at the far end of the track and head that way early in the pull, so you don't have to use your brakes to turn. Use brake LIGHTLY to make both tires drive at same wheel speed toward the end of pull. But usually the more the brake is needed, the more it takes away from your distance on the track. Then just sit back and enjoy the ride, hopefully to the #1 spot.

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Scott

01-21-2004 10:06:21




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 Re: Re: How about some newbie pulling tips? in reply to 2 Cylinder, 01-21-2004 07:52:29  
Well, that's exactly what I did. I did have old tires, and was a bit under weight, but I thought the stiffness of the tires would help..... wrong. The guys that did well seemed to be bumping the throtle a little as needed, and slower than a 7 year itch. I used first, started a little above idle, then ran her up. Went a ways, and that was all the traction I could get.

I just thought that maby running above stall slow would give the tires more time to sink in and get a grip. I think with a good hook on the tires, I could probably pull the weight in second easy, and maby even third. Power wasn't the problem at all.

This year for restoration, she's getting new firestone tires, and loaded. Should help me out. I just didn't like having the motor and being walked by.

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Wild Horses

01-21-2004 11:10:37




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 Re: Re: Re: How about some newbie pulling tips? in reply to Scott, 01-21-2004 10:06:21  
Sounds like you started off right. Just the carry through you need to work on. You can't just go along for the ride if you want to get the most out of her. First of all know your tractor & how it will react. It's propably good that you're only running one or two tracks. In the low gear & farm stock classes, traction is the key. You can't just open her up and let her go until she spins out. That means you've got more power than traction. When it starts to lug down, start backing off the throttle. If you go easy, you won't kill it. You want to balance your power with the traction. Some tractors will actually be hitting about idle, when their done with their pull. And above all else, don't jerk the throttle back to wide open or you'll spin and be done. It may take a few runs to get the hang of it but its not all that hard.

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2 Cylinder

01-21-2004 11:06:35




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 Re: Re: Re: How about some newbie pulling tips? in reply to Scott, 01-21-2004 10:06:21  
Are you talking about a Dead Weight Pull, or a Transfer Sled Pull? The suggestions I gave are for a Transfer Sled Pull, if your talking about Dead Weight Pulling, then the whole approach and set up are completely different. The only pulling I have seen where pullers keep the tractor at an idle throughout the pull is Dead Weight Pulling. Never seen many pullers pull a transfer sled at an idle and get down the track to far, it usually takes momentum to make distance on a transfer sled.

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Farmall Daddy

01-21-2004 15:20:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: How about some newbie pulling tips in reply to 2 Cylinder, 01-21-2004 11:06:35  
In my area, the division 3 pullers don't go over 1/4 throttle all the way down the track, and they are in at least 3rd gear. I don't pull that class, but when I pull my Oliver 88 in the division 2, when i get down to the end of the track and i see my tires starting to break loose, I back off from full throttle to about 1/2. Works good for me. One time I pulled my Farmall 560 gas in the 7500, with no weight on the front, cause I have my 15-5-38's full of calcium, and when I started off, the front end rose up like there wasn't nothing to it. I figured that if I slowed her down, it would bring the front end down, big mistake. I pulled the torque, and had her at an idle, going around .75 mph, and the front end still was straight up. One word of advice, if the front end comes up, let her go, or you will hurt yourself in distance. Good Luck!!

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Wild Horses

01-21-2004 14:46:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: How about some newbie pulling tips in reply to 2 Cylinder, 01-21-2004 11:06:35  
We run on a transfer sled and do it all the time. You don't start throttling down until the tractor is already lugging down. Any momentum is gone by then. We pull a DC that would walk out the end at idle. It was really set up good balance wise.



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FUN

01-21-2004 07:27:02




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 Re: How about some newbie pulling tips? in reply to Scott, 01-21-2004 06:32:37  
With a long chain, you dont get much draft from sled. Put all or most moveable weight on or near rear axle. Keep hitch as high as allowed. Hard track hard tire. soft track softer tire (air pressure). In general a 23 or 30 deg. bar tire is best on dry to med. moist tracks. 45 deg bar are best for wet conditions. The faster you can go the better you will pull. Hope this helps



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