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paul

01-19-2004 17:38:36




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Have been trying to e mail you for some time tryed twice,dont know if its my computer or what.Need some advice on carb overhaul and rejetting a super mta also your thoughts on electronic ignition and governor springs.Try my e mail see if it works.Thanks [email protected]




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question?

01-19-2004 19:20:18




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 Re: for ChadS in reply to paul, 01-19-2004 17:38:36  
Would removing one weight (leaving only one in the governor) from the governor throw it off balance?



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ChadS

01-19-2004 19:42:16




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 Re: Re: for ChadS in reply to question?, 01-19-2004 19:20:18  
Yes, it would throw it off balance, and may destroy the bearing,, You might try ginding some material off of the weight itself.



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ChadS

01-19-2004 17:58:13




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 Re: for ChadS in reply to paul, 01-19-2004 17:38:36  
I sent you a email about the carb,, On electronic ignition,, it is well worth it!! There is an ad in the Hook for CBS Racing Products, they have the kits for around $70. The governor spring.. Most stock governors have a weak spring. That spring is the key to the governor operation, and throttle responce. You need a stiff spring. The governor needs to be able to go beyond the rpm range, and then back thr rpm down wit the adjustment bolt inside the governor. Most people just back out the adjustment bolt with a stock spring,, Yes rpm will increase very little,,, but does not make the governor operate any faster. With the stiff spring, It will speed up throttle responce, and hold the carb open faster, and longer. My opinion is 2 weight governors are the way to go, they are very responcive with a good spring. 4 weight systems do tend to react slower, and are a little more difficult to obtain higher rpm. I have a governor spring that will work, without the guess work, Install it, set the rpm, and go pulling. Will make a heck of a difference. I also recomend a change in the springs in the mechanical advance in the distributor, go to the parts store and get a chevy recurve lit, they have different springs in the kit, you want the lightest spring in the kit, It will speed up the timing reaction in the engine, It will help with throttle responce by advancing the timing faster. Hope this helps,, ChadS

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Hank

01-20-2004 06:46:00




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 Re: Re: for ChadS in reply to ChadS, 01-19-2004 17:58:13  
In antique tractor pulling most is done at wide open throttle anyway so where is the benefit in a 2 weight gov with a tougher spring as opposed to a 4 weight governer that will hold the throttle at wide open. Your comments would be appreciated.



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ChadS

01-20-2004 17:18:13




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 Re: Re: Re: for ChadS in reply to Hank, 01-20-2004 06:46:00  
Wild Horses is right. A faster responding governor will operate the engine's responce a whole lot better. Most of the time, when using a stock spring, as the rpms begin to drop when you put a load on it, the governor follows right with the rpm drop and shut down the carb. Thus, making the rpm drop faster. When you hold the carb open with the governor, longer, the engine will hold the rpm longer, instead of dying, it lugs, result,,, a few more feet down the track. As far as the 2 weight VS the 4 weight, the 4 system holds the rpm at a lower speed more consistant, but is sluggish on throttle responce. It takes more time for the governor to react when there is more weights to operate. $ systems are more difficult to get higher rpm. I have installed one of my springs in a 4 system, and the governor would not open up past 1750. Where the 2 weight opened up to 2600. As soon as I put a load on the engine with the 4 system, it did not ahve a high torque curve, it shut the engine down instead of maintaing the rpm. I swapped the governor out with a 2 system it ran 2600, and I then reset the rpm limit to 2000. It reved up faster, and held the power longer, and the torque curve increased by 7 hp on the lug side. When looking for performance in engines, especially in a tractor,, you must look at the engine controls first. Governor, carb jets, mechanical advance springs in the distributor, etc. Those controls will change the average tractor into a performer. Just like in drag racing, it takes different settings for the carb, and timing to make more power more efficiently. Hope this helps, Chad

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Wild Horses

01-20-2004 10:17:07




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 Re: Re: Re: for ChadS in reply to Hank, 01-20-2004 06:46:00  
When the tractor starts to lug, the RPM's will drop. In the low gear classes, all the high RPM's give it farther to fall before it gets into a hard lugging speed. Having a governor that will react quicker is what keeps your motor going so you can get through the tough spots. In the open gear classes, most of those guys don't dare lug their motor down so it doesn't matter for them. They rely on the speed to keep the sled pan lifted as long as possible.

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paul

01-19-2004 18:50:32




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 Re: Re: for ChadS in reply to ChadS, 01-19-2004 17:58:13  
Thank you for the information once I get the tractor unsplit im going to dive into the carb.Paul



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