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NATPA legal?????

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ChadS

01-04-2004 10:30:33

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Aint trying to make ya all mad or start a war.. Would the 460H be legal to pull NATPA? ChadS

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Bill

01-04-2004 18:25:16

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Re: NATPA legal????? in reply to ChadS, 01-04-2004 10:30:33

Not to change the subject but all you've done is reminded me why I don't pull competively!! Too much bull s**t !!

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Reality Check

01-04-2004 17:40:24

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Re: NATPA legal????? in reply to ChadS, 01-04-2004 10:30:33

Chad, You are going about it all wrong. You just do it and show up at a NATPA pull and get your blessing that it is just fine to have your tractor any way you please. OH that's right, my mistake, that only works if your name is Bill Bear. I agree your tractor should be allowed on the same principles and standards as Bears freak 460. I never heard of such a chicken shi+ program! I can, you can't unless you are on the board or have the most money to flounder and buy peoples vote. If that isn't what's going on there I don't really think I want to know what is as it must be something under the table. ??? Hmmmmer

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ChadS

01-04-2004 17:56:24

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Re: Re: NATPA legal????? in reply to Reality Check, 01-04-2004 17:40:24

HA HA,,, Great point.. More than likely,, it will never see a NATPA, or USAP pull.. Just going to be another tractor,, might dead weight pull it.. Who knows,,, To me,, the old days of pulling,, pullers who put V8 in them had to look for a class they could legally pull in,, I will have to do the same. I just like to pull, I am more happy that it worked and mechanically,, it is good, Might just say heck with it,, and take anothers advice and make a H hood for it, and take it to power shows.. Chad

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Family Tradition

01-04-2004 15:52:39

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Re: NATPA legal????? in reply to ChadS, 01-04-2004 10:30:33

Hey Chad, I am sure if you are wanting to hook your 460H that John would let you do an expo pull at Princeton! If your club rules let you run this setup and you wanna just hook to see how it does, call john and ask him. Last year a guy pulled a 560 diesel w/ a large turbo on it as an expo pull, but I do not think he would let you pull in competition. Just call and ask.

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Chads

01-04-2004 13:01:48

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Re: NATPA legal????? in reply to ChadS, 01-04-2004 10:30:33

Thanks to all the responces,, NATPA,, out,, LOL,, ChadS

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farmall

01-04-2004 13:23:57

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Re: Re: NATPA legal????? in reply to Chads, 01-04-2004 13:01:48

How can NATPA be out? I think your tractor is out. Will USAP allow this? I dought it but maybe.

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ChadS

01-04-2004 14:16:05

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Re: Re: Re: NATPA legal????? in reply to farmall, 01-04-2004 13:23:57

HA HA. Picture me sitting here with a notepad with the NATPA,USAP, and other places to possibly pull it, Just crossed out NATPA,, I checked out the web site and the rules say no. Now I Will be honest,, I have spoken to the USAP about this tractor, I never asked them for a yes or no on it,, but from what they told me is that if the engine, is bolted in,, nothing custom made to the bellhousing, and no visable front end mounts it can pull. USAP rules say that the engine and rear end must be of original manufacturer.. I belive it covers both engine, and rear end swaps.

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farmall

01-05-2004 06:56:17

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Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA legal????? in reply to ChadS, 01-04-2004 14:16:05

Sound like a brush pull to me!

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Green weenie

01-04-2004 11:29:37

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Re: NATPA legal????? in reply to ChadS, 01-04-2004 10:30:33

I am not so sure if you call that tractor a 460 with an H rear end and go to 5 that it wouldn*t fly. As screwed up as Witchita was nothing would suprise me.

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farmall

01-04-2004 11:04:45

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Re: NATPA legal????? in reply to ChadS, 01-04-2004 10:30:33

Not according to the rules. Must have same number of cylinders and same length block for that model. Probly not what you wanted to here.

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ChadS

01-04-2004 11:10:16

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Re: Re: NATPA legal????? in reply to farmall, 01-04-2004 11:04:45

Yes,, I kinda figured that.. LOL Did they ever have a rule that lets a puller, swap parts? What I mean is,, IH to IH,, (engines and rear ends) I know it would not be allowed in div 3 and lower classes,, but what about 4 and 5? Thanks,, Chads

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01-04-2004 11:21:27

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Re: Re: Re: NATPA legal????? in reply to ChadS, 01-04-2004 11:10:16

Well i know that Michael Tomac has W-6 axle's on his M and others prolly do too

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farmall

01-04-2004 12:48:26

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Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA legal????? in reply to FB, 01-04-2004 11:21:27

Michael only can full in div.5. Thats because the w6 was a standard 'M', thats why they are allowed. Anyway whats that got to do with a 6 cyl. in a 'H'? Kinda changing subjects arn't you?

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01-04-2004 13:00:59

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA legal????? in reply to farmall , 01-04-2004 12:48:26

No, did you not read what he asked in the post before mine? "What I mean is,, IH to IH,, swaps(engines and rear ends)" and putting axles off a W-6 onto and M is essentially changing rear ends. THATS wat it has to do with it

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ChadS

01-04-2004 13:18:56

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA legal????? in reply to FB, 01-04-2004 13:00:59

I see it like this,, now this is just my opinion, so don't take it to heart,, IF, the NATPA has a class, that will allow you to put in a much larger engine, as long as it bolts in, no frame mods or bellhousing mods, and is the same make,,, not model,, Not to pick on the olivers here,, take a 88 with a 1800, 7 bolt main block. Just an example oliver guys!! what would be the difference, in taking the big engine, and using a small rear end.. Same principle, but roles reversed. It more than likely will never see a NATPA pull, and I would not classify it as a stock tractor,, I built it to run with the Olivers, in the light classes. small tractors with big engines in div 4-5 and USAP PS and SPS. where mods like that may be allowed,, in those open classes. On the rear axle swap,, The M and the W-6 had the same main rear end housing,, the axles were shorter and lighter, but still bolted right on,, A few years back, when you started to see the M's below 4000, that is what you seen. W-6 axles. from div 3 to 5. What I did is different than this,, You both are right in my book, Chad

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farmall

01-04-2004 13:11:26

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA legal????? in reply to FB, 01-04-2004 13:00:59

Maybe you did'nt understand me, but a 'M' and a w6 are the same tractor, except one is a row crop and the other is a standard. That would be like puting a w4 rearend on a 'H'. Now do you understand? A 460 engine in a 'H' has nothing to do with the above, now doe's it?

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01-04-2004 13:24:15

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA legal????? in reply to farmall, 01-04-2004 13:11:26

"LOL Did they ever have a rule that lets a puller, swap parts? What I mean is,, IH to IH,, (engines and REAR ENDS)" A W-6 to a M is actually a rearend swap,no, its not as extreme as a 460 to an H, but they let him switch IH to IH parts.... W-6 axles are lighter than M's and are shorter so they are differnt tractors

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ChadS

01-04-2004 14:28:06

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA legal????? in reply to FB, 01-04-2004 13:24:15

I see what you are saying,, Yes,, they are different tractors,, and if you swapped them with each other,, they would change the tractor considerably. weight, and gear speed. I call what I had done,, De evolution,, one had posted about what the H evolved into the 460, Well that is true, Only thing I did was skip a whole series and went back to the source... 300-350 will bolt right up to the 460, and still have the TA,, and,, be lighter yet, and is close to apperence to the 460. The H is a lot smaller than the 300-350, and does not look so stock,, Anyway,, my point is,, that if the pullers who use bolt on parts be limited to using newer parts on an older tractor to improve performance? I think that it should work both ways,, if the older ones can do it,, why not the newer ones use older stuff? Just my opinion.

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well...

01-04-2004 13:19:34

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA legal????? in reply to farmall, 01-04-2004 13:11:26

The 460 is what the H evolved into -- H, Super H, 300, 350, 460. The 460 rearend is basically a beefed up H rearend with TA and live PTO.

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Two-Tone

01-04-2004 10:40:38

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Re: NATPA legal????? in reply to ChadS, 01-04-2004 10:30:33

If I cant pull my 961 you cant pull your 460H
screwedover at wichita
tt

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ChadS

01-04-2004 11:04:16

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Re: Re: NATPA legal????? in reply to Two-Tone, 01-04-2004 10:40:38

What happened to you? was it too new or????? ?

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Two-Tone

01-04-2004 11:29:48

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Re: Re: Re: NATPA legal????? in reply to ChadS, 01-04-2004 11:04:16

They said it was new but it fits their rules also did not like my whellie bars which are not required in div 1
tt

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Green Weenie

01-04-2004 11:38:17

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Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA legal????? in reply to Two-Tone, 01-04-2004 11:29:48

Just guessing but I would bet that Ron McCormick runs in the class you wer trying to get in, he is the points leader I beleive, I saw that stock B John Deere put 15 feet on a 66 Oliver in Missouri if you can believe that,oh by the way he happens to be a board member?

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GROW UP!

01-04-2004 16:14:01

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA legal????? in reply to Green Weenie, 01-04-2004 11:38:17

Now you all have to b!@@# about Ron huh? You want to know why Ron is the points leader, why he beats other tractors? It is because he works on tractors for a living!!! I can tell you one thing, he is the most honest board member there is in the group. If I'm not mistaking, and I'm not, he pulls DIV I 3500 with his B. How many other tractors have been competing with him? What a point you make about him being the points leader! Him and the 66 are the only two tractors as of yet competing for points in that class! The 66 he beat pulls with him all year not just at the national level. They pull together at the state and local pulls. Ron does not always win! Grow UP!!!

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Green weenie

01-04-2004 20:24:15

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA legal????? in reply to GROW UP!, 01-04-2004 16:14:01

Just happened he got busted with the wrong carb. on that B? I can not imagine an honest man like you say would do that on purpose.

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again---Grow Up!

01-05-2004 06:48:10

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA legal????? in reply to Green weenie, 01-04-2004 20:24:15

Were you standing in line when Mr McCormick got teched? IF so, you know wether his tractor got busted or not. Funny you replied to his honesty but could not defend yourself against your points leader statement. Know the facts before you shoot your mouth off. This is the last response you will get from me on your soap box. By the way are you (or anyone in your family) pulling DIV I 3500 for points?

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Green weenie

01-05-2004 09:38:12

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA legal????? in reply to again---Grow Up!, 01-05-2004 06:48:10

I agree, you*ve said entirely enough.

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realpuller

01-05-2004 14:02:34

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA legal??? in reply to Green weenie, 01-05-2004 09:38:12

I think that you all should pull with real tractors. By real tractors I mean stock tractors. Pull them off from the farm fields and go pull for fun not for money or who can spend the most money. My opinion you can't call them tractors if they are not stock.One more thing you all should look at the over all picture, that is to have fun not cry and whine like babies.

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