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Jason

01-03-2004 06:50:11




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I have done some research on turbocharging my Farmall M latlely and i have a few questions if anyone has done this. Several people tell me they blow from the turbo through the carb. The biggest question i have is, can the carb be presureized and still mix fuel correctly? I have all the plumbing, oil lines, ect figured out. Thanks for any help.




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Jerry B

01-05-2004 08:29:16




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 Re: M + Turbo= in reply to Jason, 01-03-2004 06:50:11  
I thought we had all this worked out a few months ago.

Any way...If your turbo is a "dry" type you can not draw through the carb and push into the intake. There are no seals in the carb to prevent fuel and air from entering the oil in the bearing housing. You must blow through the carb on a dry type turbo.

Use a fuel pump to give positve fuel pressure to the carb to prevent pushing the boost past the needle valve and back into the fuel tank.

Lacking a fuel pump will not prevent your using a dry turbo. Use a vent hose from the turbo/intake manifold to the fuel tank. You will have to use an unvented fuel tank cap to prevent the fumes from the tank from being draw into the intake while it is under vacuume and a loss of pressure under boost. This line will also need a check valve that would allow pressure to flow into the tank but prevent fumes from the tank being drawn into the intake.

The dry air from the turbo will give the same pressure inside the tank as the fuel bowl sees under boost and therefore the fuel will still flow under gravity feed into the bowl. You only have to worry about getting enough fuel to flow under gravity to prevent starvation and a very lean condition. I highly recommend a fuel pump to prevent this.

As far as intercooling is concerned, never try to intercool a wet turbo. You are asking for big time troubles.

Now I have a question. How good are the throttle shaft seals on your carb? Any leaks under pressure here will send fuel/air mixture into the crank case via the govenor. You may have to put a hose from the linkage tube to the inlet side of the turbo to prevent contamination of the engine oil and pressurizing the entire crank case with fuel and air. Have you ever heard of blowing the seals and gaskets from and engine due to an internal explosion? Gauranteed to get your attention.

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farmall

01-03-2004 13:42:58




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 Re: M + Turbo= in reply to Jason, 01-03-2004 06:50:11  
Williams bros. in Michigan had a 'M' turbo back in the 70's. They had some pretty good runs but the block was the week point. Center main is weak in a Farmall 'M'. If you can call them im sure they could help you, and they love talking about there 'M'. Hope this helps.



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Wild Horses

01-05-2004 08:08:20




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 Re: Re: M + Turbo= in reply to farmall, 01-03-2004 13:42:58  
I was thinking about doing something similar with a centrifical supercharger. I thought I'd use an MD block. They're suppose to have 5 mains.
I asked a buddy who was into ricers about what he thought about a turbing an M. He said that turbos love low compression motors.



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buickanddeere

01-03-2004 12:11:07




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 Re: M + Turbo= in reply to Jason, 01-03-2004 06:50:11  
Fuel bowl has to be vented to the turbo outlet. Fuel pressure has to be kept at a pound or two over manifold pressure if gravity fed. Allows easier use of an intercooler with a blowthrough. Less load on the turbo when not pushing fuel on a blowthrough but fuel is better mixed/atomized on a drawthrough. LP's just refernce the vapourizer pressure to the manifold and raise LP supply pressure with boost. 108 octane LP helps too. Boring,stroking,porting,compression,cam etc is less complicated and of course looks stock. How about a hidden nitrous system for the last 10 feet of track?

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Red Wheels

01-03-2004 10:54:29




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 Re: M + Turbo= in reply to Jason, 01-03-2004 06:50:11  
Make sure you do some research on ignition timing. It will need to be retarded from original, detonation with spark fired fuel will result and cause engine damage. I've been there with a turbo on a propane engine and gasoline will be even more difficult.



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E J

01-03-2004 09:21:51




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 Re: M + Turbo= in reply to Jason, 01-03-2004 06:50:11  
The turbo will blow the gas out of the bowl at higher boost.Probably need to draw through a carb.



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ol George

01-03-2004 10:43:39




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 Re: Re: M + Turbo= in reply to E J, 01-03-2004 09:21:51  
I have heard that as well, just couldn't make it work. Put the carb in front of the inlet to turbo and got better results.



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