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o4terry

11-25-2003 08:29:24




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I am considering putting used antifreeze into my rear tires instead of the calcium chloride. Has anyone tried this, and are there any problems with using the antifreeze?




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Don

11-26-2003 20:51:19




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 Re: tire fluid in reply to o4terry, 11-25-2003 08:29:24  
We have ran antifreeze in a 560 Standard tires for 5 years know with out problem. We pull 10,000lb with it. It has 18*4*34 on it. They are filled full. I like it because it presses the center of the tire down in to the dirt, with out the tire folding inward. Makes a mighty fine foot print when it spins out. We tried it with weights, and the tires buckled in bad. That is running about 14lbs of air. My 2 cents worth. I had to prove to myself.

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RJ-Az

11-26-2003 08:52:23




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 Re: tire fluid in reply to o4terry, 11-25-2003 08:29:24  
I worked in a tractor dealership and the mechanics did a lot of new tractor predelivery work. There is a complete section in the owners manual for proper ballasting and covers everything from water,cal chloride, wheel weights and front suitcase weights. While this is not rocket science it will make a difference in how a tractor pulls in the field.As for using anti-freeze all this does is add freeze protection to the water in the tires and costs a lot on a 18.4x38 tire. If you have ever had the experience of driving a tractor with a frozen tire it is wild and will destroy the tube and tire if done at road speed. Don't know about pullers other than you need to haul them to and from and hauling weight can be problem. JMHO

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Hillbilly Hooker

11-25-2003 20:40:50




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 Re: tire fluid in reply to o4terry, 11-25-2003 08:29:24  
We have used antifreeze/water mixture in tires on farm tractors. The worst problem is if you have a flat you cant patch the tube. The antifreeze for some reason makes the rubber near impossible to get a patch to adhere. H.H.



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Oklahomatractorrebuilder

11-25-2003 18:53:55




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 Re: tire fluid in reply to o4terry, 11-25-2003 08:29:24  
Around here most people farming use mentanol in there tires. Keeps it from freezing and no corrosion. For pulling I use liquid filled tires and add weights to get to a heavier class. Pull a Super M that weighs in at 7450 with no weights but filled tires and pull up thru 10,000 class. The main problem with filled tires is the weight when hauling the tractor around, sure makes for a heavy load. At least this year. Tractor is for sale now and am changing to a MM UTS for next year.

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Oklahomatractorrebuilder

11-25-2003 18:53:34




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 Re: tire fluid in reply to o4terry, 11-25-2003 08:29:24  
Around here most people farming use mentanol in there tires. Keeps it from freexing and no corrosion. For pulling I use liquid filled tires and add weights to get to a heavier class. Pull a Super M that weighs in at 7450 with no weights but filled tires and pull up thru 10,000 class. The main problem with filled tires is the weight when hauling the tractor around, sure makes for a heavy load. At least this year. Tractor is for sale now and am changing to a MM UTS for next year.

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Farmall Daddy

11-25-2003 16:41:31




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 Re: tire fluid in reply to o4terry, 11-25-2003 08:29:24  
I run Calcium in my 560 and my WC's tires due to the fact that I pull it, and I need as much weight down on the bottom of the tire as possible. Anti-freeze would work great, but it is a lighter mixture, and you won't have as much weight. Good thing is that it won't corrode your rims. I like calcium in the aspect of weight, but I make sure to keep my valve stems in good shape, so I don't have rusted out rims within a given amount of time.

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720Deere

11-25-2003 16:18:51




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 Re: tire fluid in reply to o4terry, 11-25-2003 08:29:24  
Used antifreeze will work just fine. We have used it in tubless tires for 15 years with no problems at all. It is lighter than calcium mixtures, but non-corrosive. Only downside is it is toxic if tire is ruptured. Most positive is cost. Find a contractor with alot of heavy equipment and they should be willing to give the used stuff away!

Also, 50/50 mixture is stronger than necessary for freeze protection in a tire.

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Ron 1456

11-25-2003 11:34:49




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 Re: tire fluid in reply to o4terry, 11-25-2003 08:29:24  
I have heard of using used anti-freeze in tires but I don't know of anyone who has done it. Usually you wouldn't have enough of it do any good. I don't use calcium cloride in tires because it causes too many problems and weights work a lot better. I'm curious what tractor you have and why you would want liquid in the tires. If you are going to pull this tractor you definitely don't want liquid in the tires.

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Rick

11-26-2003 07:45:24




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 Re: Re: tire fluid in reply to Ron 1456, 11-25-2003 11:34:49  
I pull a 1954 Farmall Super MTA Diesel. I pull in the 9500# class. I bought a 55 gallon drum of anti-freeze at a wholesale store and pumped half into one tire, then filled the drum with the remaining anti-freeze with water, and pumped the whole drum into the other tire. Then I filled the drum half way with water and pumped that into the first tire. So now I have 55 gallons aprox of 50/50 mixed anti-freeze/water in each tire. Figure water weighs about 8 lbs a gallon, so I added 880lbs to the tractor. That equals about 6 Farmall weights ( at 150 lbs each) that I don't have to worry about. I add 14 of these weights to get into 9500 anyway. I don't worry about not getting into the lighter classes, because my tractor does not pull well in those classes anyway. This tractor is also used for field work and snowplowing in the winter. The tires have been filled for 4 years now, and haven' had any problems.

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johnpop1

11-26-2003 03:43:13




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 Re: Re: tire fluid in reply to Ron 1456, 11-25-2003 11:34:49  
Have had anti-freeze and water solution in my garden tractor for at least 10 years. Live in NY state where it can get real colld. When the person filling the tires told me he put only 1 gallon of anti-freeze/tire + water, I thought I would have chunks of ice for ballast when it got down to -25 or so. Not true. These tires have never frozen that I know of. Probably the reason for a more concentrated solution of anti-freeze/water solution in vehicles has more to do with the extreme wind-chill effect at highway speeds. These garden tractor tires were quite large 26x12x12.

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o4terry

11-25-2003 16:15:35




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 Re: Re: tire fluid in reply to Ron 1456, 11-25-2003 11:34:49  
I have a 1951 Friday tractor that has a 6 cyl chrysler industrial engine. Obviously, a wheel would be hard to find and I have one that is in very bad shape. I did some welding on it and think its got some promise of lasting a few more years. It had calcium chloride in it at one time, thats why the wheel suffered and why I wanted to use the antifreeze. The wheel size is 13x24.

MY DUMB QUESTION OF THE DAY----- -----How come I wouldn't want fluid in the wheels. I would guess the tractor weighs about 3700# and the engine is spose to have over a hundred horsepower with a 5 speed transmission and 2 speed rear end.

Supposedly, there are 143 of these tractors built/documented, and a few that may have been built for customers where the tractor never got documented. I don't know didly squat about tractor pulling, but would like to give it a try.
I have an email friend that has a tractor like mine, and he tells me that his tractor is a real tough one to beat in his class.

the class that I would be in is stock, if you have any advice for me, I would appreciate it.
Just remember, I know nothing!

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ken

11-25-2003 16:29:09




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 Re: Re: Re: tire fluid in reply to o4terry, 11-25-2003 16:15:35  
OK the tractor weights 3700 # what class are you wanting to pull? Ifyou want to Pull 4000# I would hang weights . If you want to start say 5000# or 5500# I would fill the tires . My 2 Ken



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720Deere

11-25-2003 16:23:54




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 Re: Re: Re: tire fluid in reply to o4terry, 11-25-2003 16:15:35  
There is a guy locally that pulls a 620 John Deere with the tires loaded. Hardly anybody that pulls uses liquid ballast because it limits your ability to change weight classes, ie, get lighter. The 620 pulls in the 10000 to 12000 lb classes with much more success than the guys using steel weight!



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haybines nightmare

11-25-2003 15:51:05




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 Re: Re: tire fluid in reply to Ron 1456, 11-25-2003 11:34:49  
It would take alot of antifreeze to fill a tire 50-50 to protect it from freezing I know some dealers use winsheild washer fluid because of being noncorosive



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Jerry

11-26-2003 13:44:41




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 Re: Re: Re: tire fluid in reply to haybines nightmare, 11-25-2003 15:51:05  
Most tractors need weight added to the front to keep it down. I feel that you are better off with your added weight just in front of the rear wheels. Enough to keep the front down and still maintain rear weight. Filled tires don't leave an option when you are trying to get into a class slightly heaver than the tractor.



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