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dean

10-30-2003 20:08:52




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anyone know of any foundrys around that will fill the water ports on a head with cast iron so more machining can be done?




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ChadS

11-02-2003 08:30:00




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 Re: filling in cast heads in reply to dean, 10-30-2003 20:08:52  
We have an method that will allow you to MIG weld the water holes shut, and then machine them down. It is the same basis as using nickel rods but in a wire welder. Less heat, and less distortion. We recntly done this to our puller, and it worked great as far as sealing the water holes shut. Just my 2 cents worth. If you have any questions, send me an email.. [email protected],, Would be happy to explain the procedure if you like.. Chads

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TimC

10-30-2003 20:37:04




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 Re: filling in cast heads in reply to dean, 10-30-2003 20:08:52  
If you want something to machine with you can get an epoxy for the intake ports. Brass works well for the exhaust but you have to know what you are doing.

The liquid ferrous or non ferrous metal that you might be trying to fill in the cavities with would probably freeze or set up before it flowed to every location you need it to. If i am reading you right. To do it solid the head would have to be heated in an oven to a very high temp then it might still crack.

A specialize high perf machine shop could accomadate you but at a price without filling the head. There may be other options if you were willing to let the cat out of the bag and explain exactly what you are trying to accomplish.

Hope this is of some help.

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dean

10-31-2003 17:07:10




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 Re: Re: filling in cast heads in reply to TimC, 10-30-2003 20:37:04  
have an allis d-21 head running in pro field very limited in airflow ned to fill in the water chambers so can go bigger..currently running the motor dry so this should be no problem..have been quoted a price to do this and was looking for a cheaper alternative...eliminate the middle man another words...this should free the cat..lol thanks for any help



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TimC

11-01-2003 14:20:20




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 Re: Re: Re: filling in cast heads in reply to dean, 10-31-2003 17:07:10  
For what its worth, here is an opinion.

If you have a single port feeding two intake valves you need a good turn on the back wall of the port. What is happening with the head, (not aquainted with the D21) the velocity slows when it reaches the two bowls that have also been opened most likely and the fuel falls out of a state of suspension. Unless you are really turning the RPMs up you might be supprised to see how it ran with quality flow instead of higher flow numbers. Where the port ends on a lot of heads at the two bowls there is usually a sharp edge that makes a 90 degree turn left and right to each bowl. What needs to happen here is a large slow radius and make up the differance in the port on the back wall with a divider/director that maintains the port cross section and also helps turn the flow down to the chamber and will not allow the flow to slow. This higher velocity will also help fill the cylinder across BDC.

After this is fixed you will need to do something about the exhaust ports.

This is just an opinion, take it with a grain of salt.

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mike

11-01-2003 13:35:55




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 Re: Re: Re: filling in cast heads in reply to dean, 10-31-2003 17:07:10  
Dean, call Bob at Himes casting repair in Mooresville Indiana 317-831-8069. He has my head now and is porting it and opening it up. He can get them filled also. He is the man when it comes to an allis head.



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dean

11-02-2003 19:29:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: filling in cast heads in reply to mike, 11-01-2003 13:35:55  
thanks for the # ..i am sure tim knows what hes doing but turning 5000 rpms with 60 lbs of boost needs bigger ports not just work on existing ones..if you talk to the guys that run hurricane allis they started with a bare block of cast iron for that very reason..thanks for all the responses



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