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JD Puller

10-06-2003 22:53:17




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this is just to add to the posting a ways down. but I have wheelie bars on my A john deere built to NATPA rules and you know it flat scares me when the front end comes up. I dont like it and would like to see every tractor pulling have wheelie bars but it is not likely. It the club I pull in we have a lot of farmers bring their tractors right out of the field to pull, and how are you going to tell them they cant pull cus they dont have wheelie bars, there is a simple solution though. A 16 inch magnetic chain on the front of the tractor and when the chain is off the ground, no matter where he is at on the track, his pull is done.

Now in theory a tractor can not tip over when hooked to the sled if the hitch is proper because of the chain tied to the sled will be pulling the wrong way for it to tip over. I know I just opened a large can of worms here. know I am not against wheelie bars in fact I am all for them. I was choosen as a judge at a resant pull and sent some one home because he didnt have wheelie bars for our open class. But we need to be realist and keep it so that the farmers can come play also.

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BIG D

10-07-2003 16:25:04




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 Re: flipping tractors in reply to JD Puller, 10-06-2003 22:53:17  
WHEELIE BARS ARE VERY GOOD AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THEM BEING ON ANY TRACTOR FOR SAFETY. BUT I THINK ALOT OF THE PROBLEM IS WITH THE OPERATORS.I SEE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE GETTING INTO TRACTOR PULLING AND ALOT OF THEM GO OUT AND BUY A TRACTOR THAT IS READY TO PULL BUT YET THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN EXPOSED TO ARE BEEN ON A TRACTOR IN THEIR LIFE UNLIKE MOST OF US WHO WAS PLOWING WITH ONE WHEN WE WERE JUST TEENAGERS.THEY HAVE NO CONCEPT OF WHAT CAN HAPPEN.I THINK INEXPERENCE IS ALOT OF THE PROBLEM. JUST MY THOUGHTS.

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paul

10-09-2003 18:11:18




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 Re: Re: flipping tractors in reply to BIG D, 10-07-2003 16:25:04  
You say that you don't want to keep the local FARMERS out because they don't have bars TOO BAD They can make them like everybody else.There are only about one in ten PULLERS that actually farm for a living maybe less My 2 cents



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JD green

10-07-2003 09:03:59




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 Re: flipping tractors in reply to JD Puller, 10-06-2003 22:53:17  
I like the idea of the chain rule, or it being the judges decision to stop you when the front comes up too far. But for out of the field pulls where the tractors aren't running really high speeds, the driver should be able to control the tracor enough to keep the front from lifting too far. Also were weights added to the tractor properly? if you know your front will lift too far add some weights to the front, or remove some that are on the back, or used as wheel weights, to do this. if your weights are balanced properly, you should be able to keep your front off the ground and travel a long ways without it lifting too high to be unsafe. I can say that it takes some experience to do this, but after a few pulls any puller should be able to figure out what their tractor will do on certain track conditions and adjust weights and driving style properly.
Wheelie bars have their place for highly modified tractors that run at high rpms and ground speed, I just don't see them as practical for farmers who bring the tractors out of the field to pull a few times a year.
Just be safe, not sorry!

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dctom

10-07-2003 10:01:32




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 Re: Re: flipping tractors in reply to JD green, 10-07-2003 09:03:59  
JD- WE HAVE HAD THAT RULE IN OUR CLUB HERE IN NORTHERN IND FOR YEARS, YOU MUST PROBICE A 1/8 HOOK IN LINE WITH FRONT AXLE OF TRACTOR, CLUB HAS A CHAIN ATTACHED TO A ROD 20 INCH LONG, IF THE ROD SWINGS FREE PULL IS OVER AND TRACTOR DQED SOME STILL GET DQ BUT NONE HAS COME CLOSE TO GOING OVER I WOULD GO ALONG WITH WHEELIE BARS ON DIV 2 AND UP BUT DIV 1 WOULD BE OK WITH OUT JUST MY THOUGHTS DCTOM

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ChadS

10-07-2003 12:41:24




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 Re: Re: Re: flipping tractors in reply to dctom, 10-07-2003 10:01:32  
The chain rule does work, and works well. As DCtom stated, our club has a chain rule, and wheelie bars are required in the modified class. True, our club has never had an accident, the questions about safety goes on, but there is always a "What if?"" in there somewhere. I know lots of clubs who are very strict on what kind of weight can be placed on the tractor. sometimes front end weights could have helped in a case of a flip over. Not saying that it would have not have prevented it from happening at all. Tractor pulling officials are doing their best to make this sport safe, The organizations who have adopted safety rules from NATPA, USAP, have got their eyes out, watching for wheelie bars, and how safe they will or might be. New members of tractor pulling must be aware of the dangers involved when they hook up to the sled. Wheelie bars should be strong enough to hold up the tractor at it's heaviest weight. Don't use a light weight steel to just get by. If you are going to pull on a regular basis, please, take safety in mind. Build them strong, and learn how your tractor will respond on the track. Just my 2 cents,,, CS

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Buzzman72

10-07-2003 06:43:47




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 Re: flipping tractors in reply to JD Puller, 10-06-2003 22:53:17  
Funny thing...at the sight of the first dead farmer, all the fun goes away. I say, keep it safe FIRST. The BEST tractor pull is one where the ONLY thing that gets hurt is someone's pride. Everything else MUST be secondary to safety.



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Allis Puller

10-07-2003 03:59:20




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 Re: flipping tractors in reply to JD Puller, 10-06-2003 22:53:17  
They use the chain rule in a club that I pull for and it seems to work well. As far as it not flipping over when hooked to the sled I have my doughts. I had mine come up real high real fast and I did everything in my power to get her down, but even at an idle and me standing on the brakes she kept coming up. And it went nearly straight up and down - when I looked at the flag man his eyes were the size of softballs. Luckily when I came down nothing broke. It wont ever happen again for me to find out whether she would have come clean over but I'm not sure that it would'nt have!

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Red Rider

10-07-2003 19:44:52




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 Re: Re: flipping tractors in reply to Allis Puller, 10-07-2003 03:59:20  
Allis puller, why did you not just push in the clutch. I have been pulling for a lot of years and I have never had my front end over 12 inches off the ground. I usually weight my tractor so the front stays on the ground. In my opinion if you can't keep your tractor front end on the ground at all time you should be DQ.



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Allis Puller

10-08-2003 03:44:44




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 Re: Re: Re: flipping tractors in reply to Red Rider, 10-07-2003 19:44:52  
Well I just made a mistake on how much weight too put up front, the track was very loose that day and everyone was spinnining out - I just got a little to cocky and did'nt put enough weight up front. The reason I did'nt push in the clutch is because it went up so fast and wanted to get it down without breaking something - I thought if it was at an idle and me standing on the brakes it would. Just poor judgement - can happen to anyone!

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Lamont

10-07-2003 09:28:00




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 Re: Re: flipping tractors in reply to Allis Puller, 10-07-2003 03:59:20  
As long as the pulling point is below the center line of the hubs, it is impossible to flip the tractor while pulling the sled. We used to require that every tractor have a small chain that when extended straight down from the front axle there were 36 inches of chain on the ground. If the tractor reared enough to clear that chain above the ground, the pull was over, period. I never saw a pull flagged because the driver usually quit before that point or the tractor would spin out. I never saw one flip either. I'd like to see that rule at every pull. If they don't have a chain, then the club could provide a magnetic one to attach to their tractor. The chain is a much easier modification than the wheelie bars.

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Jerry

10-07-2003 16:14:31




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 Re: Re: Re: flipping tractors in reply to Lamont, 10-07-2003 09:28:00  
I often wondered if a switch like the one that turns on the hood light on our cars was connected in our power to coil line. At a certian angle up you get a disconnect on your ingition.



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Mike F

10-07-2003 19:45:08




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: flipping tractors in reply to Jerry, 10-07-2003 16:14:31  
The rod and chain idea may work and I know our club has thought about it, but nobody wanted somthing hooked to their tractor, I think it is a matter of time, if you pull, you have wheely bars and I agree, I have seen some very seasoned pullers, nearly flip and they knew how to run their stuff, but for the novice, it could be his last pull, A chain will not stop a tractor from flipping and if it is that high, you are likely already in panic mode, which could mean hitting the wrong pedal or slamming the front end to the ground and really bust the thing up, guys will spend 500 bucks or more for a stack of weights to go and pull, but no safety gear, if they told us we had to have them in the stock class, I would go get the steel in the morning, and they can be made to be removed quickly, so what is the big deal? Sure isn't worth getting killed or injured bad enough to watch from a wheelchair. Remember never say never, because that is when it will happen. All these clubs had better get safety in order 1st and worry about who is gonna buy the trophy's later, get a good bunch of guys who can and will tech check all tractors and see who is safe and who isn't. Your insurance company won't be there to check them, but when they cut the check for sombody hurt, that will be the end of pulling.

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Jerry

10-08-2003 09:25:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: flipping tractors in reply to Mike F, 10-07-2003 19:45:08  
Long chains also help stop the front lift. The 20 inch up and 18 back plus short chains increase the tendency to raise the front.



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