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Cockshutt 40

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Aaron

10-06-2003 13:31:26




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Can anyone please give me some specs as to how far you can go with a Buda 262 (same motor as a D19) , or at least how far reliably that will produce some good power...there aren't alot of 40's around our area and we would like to make this one a runner, we just aren't familiar with the buda engines. Does anyone know of a good engine builder that might be familiar with these also?, thanks a bunch

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cockshutt puller

10-09-2003 20:36:08




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 Re: Cockshutt 40 in reply to Aaron, 10-06-2003 13:31:26  
dont listen to none of them 415 cid is not possible and if it is possible it might last 1 pull and that is it. bout 330 is all that is possible to hold up . just my 2 cents !



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not much

10-06-2003 15:34:21




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 Re: Cockshutt 40 in reply to Aaron, 10-06-2003 13:31:26  
about 414 inches or so...4" bore and 5.5" stroke. You can pretty much get the same cubes out of a stock 40 or 50 motor. Great motors, they just didn't leave much room in them.



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Krouthead

10-06-2003 16:25:25




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 Re: Re: Cockshutt 40 in reply to not much, 10-06-2003 15:34:21  
Didnt a 40 have a 230 Buda,50 a 273?


Krout



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yep

10-06-2003 19:32:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Cockshutt 40 in reply to Krouthead, 10-06-2003 16:25:25  
yeah, the 262 is a popular replacement for them because they bolt it without a lot of work (change the flywheel and rear plate, make a front motor mount, etc.) and had about 70 horse from the factory. When it comes down to building them though they pretty much equal out.



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Jason

10-06-2003 18:07:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Cockshutt 40 in reply to Krouthead, 10-06-2003 16:25:25  
How about the 301 buda, How far can it go? I have seen some of these in 40s and 50s.



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Krouthead

10-07-2003 03:12:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Cockshutt 40 in reply to Jason, 10-06-2003 18:07:25  
Are you sure its a Buda?If this is the 301 that was used in the AC it is totally different,direct injection,pump on opposite side and is longer and taller.Now if Im not way off base you can mix a 262 crank with a 273 block and get a few extra cubes.I talked to a guy about building 1 for me and he was in the process of building one at that time I was asking him about it,I forget how much it was going to be.I think it was going to be 5 1/8 stroke and 4 bore,not positive.Anyway his shop is TNT macine in POLO,MO and he advertises in HOOK.I think the problem is clearance of the cam.Hope this helps.

KroutheaD

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JDGnut

10-07-2003 11:12:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cockshutt 40 in reply to Krouthead, 10-07-2003 03:12:21  
Krouthead... have you messed with the PowerCell systems on the buda engines much??? We were in Cleveland, MS and saw a WD45D that pulled pretty good a few yrs ago... We have a WD45D that Dad pulls.. but never have gotten the HP out of the tractor that it should be making... Looks like sometimes you can over fuel the powercells... (or should they be plugged and a different injector installed??? ) Just looking for ideas... JDGnut
(Are you headed to TX soon??)

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Krouthead

10-07-2003 13:19:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cockshutt 40 in reply to JDGnut, 10-07-2003 11:12:00  
In the shop manual they rccomemend you take them out and remove all carbon deposits.I never did this,but my friend that bought the tractor from me did and he thought it helped.OVERFUEL??I was accused fo that once?ha ha If you could have I am sure I would have.I dont know about installing injectors in the power cell ports,this would be a MAJOR job and I dont think it would be benificial,the pattern and angle of injector spray is crucial.How would you know if it was right without hours of dyno and tuning.Have you cranked that baby up?The injection pump is limited by the governor.I turned mine about 3000-3100 and this was way to much,but she did good.If its not smokin your just jokin!!
Let me know if you dont know about the "magic" screw.

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Krout

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JDGnut

10-07-2003 11:08:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cockshutt 40 in reply to Krouthead, 10-07-2003 03:12:21  
Krouthead... have you messed with the PowerCell systems on the buda engines much??? We were in Cleveland, MS and saw a WD45D that pulled pretty good a few yrs ago... We have a WD45D that Dad pulls.. but never have gotten the HP out of the tractor that it should be making... Looks like sometimes you can over fuel the powercells... (or should they be plugged and a different injector installed??? ) Just looking for ideas... JDGnut

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Jason

10-07-2003 05:51:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cockshutt 40 in reply to Krouthead, 10-07-2003 03:12:21  
Yes it is a buda, but it was bought by allis and used in some combines. It is longer and taller, but most cant tell difference. It really pulls well.



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Jason

10-07-2003 05:54:00




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cockshutt 40 in reply to Jason, 10-07-2003 05:51:18  
I was talking about the gas engine, not the diesel. And the difference is very little in length and almost no height difference. The intake and exhaust in on the correct side.



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Krouthead

10-07-2003 13:24:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cockshutt 40 in reply to Jason, 10-07-2003 05:54:00  
Buda engines use the same block for gas and diesel.What year and model was this combine?Does the engine have Buda cast on the side?I was referring to the later 301 that was in the 190 ect.This is NOT the same and my grandma could tell the difference.

Krout



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Jason

10-08-2003 06:42:16




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cockshutt 40 in reply to Krouthead, 10-07-2003 13:24:21  
I am not sure of the model, but it might have been a late g, the motor was off the combine and I bought it out of the salvage yard. I know on some of the others it said Allis Chalmers on the intake manifold, but this engine was an early model and did not have that. I can assure you your grandma cannot tell the difference. The only visible difference was the governor cover and the motor mount that would need to be made for the front.

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are you sure?

10-08-2003 20:11:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cockshutt 40 in reply to Jason, 10-08-2003 06:42:16  
are you sure it's a 301? and not 262?



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TROY

10-07-2003 09:13:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Cockshutt 40 in reply to Jason, 10-07-2003 05:54:00  
wHAT MODEL OF COMBINE WAS IT IN ?



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