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John Deere 6030

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John

08-10-2003 07:16:03




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Hey guys:

How well do 6030's do in farm stock and hot stock classes after you lighten them up? Can you get plenty of power out of them? WHAT can you do to lighten them up to 9000 pound class? They seeem to be very stout tractors for a cheap price, I just want your pulling opinions on them.

Thanks,

John




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Jim

08-10-2003 19:49:40




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 Re: John Deere 6030 in reply to John, 08-10-2003 07:16:03  
we have a 5020 with a 531 engine that we got down to 7500. It took a lot of work, but it can be done.



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John

08-10-2003 18:41:38




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 Re: John Deere 6030 in reply to John, 08-10-2003 07:16:03  
I have another question guys. To lighten up the front end, can i install my rollomatic from my 4020 to the 6030 in any way? That factory widefront looks VERY heavy. Any suggestions much appreciated.

John



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G-MAN

08-11-2003 14:03:41




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 Re: Re: John Deere 6030 in reply to John, 08-10-2003 18:41:38  
I have seen a narrow front on a 6030, but am not sure how it was done. There would be one major hurdle that I'm aware of. The steering motors in JD tractors come in two varieties. Later ractors that were equipped with wide-fronts have a steering motor that does NOT have an provision in the steering motor for a tapered bearing at the top of the motor spindle. Since all the weight of an narrow front is carried by that spindle, you would have to have a tapered bearing up there, or you would quickly shell out the steering motor. I think it would be relatively easy (other than the actual process of pulling the motor) to have the motor housing machined to accept a bearing cup at the top. Take a look at a parts book for something like a 4230 (which was available with a narrow front), and you'll see what I'm referring to in the steering motor.

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JDGnut

08-11-2003 14:25:42




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 Re: Re: Re: John Deere 6030 in reply to G-MAN, 08-11-2003 14:03:41  
IF the class will allow.. I would get rid of all the heavy steering crap... and use hydrostatic steering... you won't need a feed back cylinder.. will just need one double end/double rod.. or two small cylinders.. and you can get rid of that heavy steering valve.. and use a later/smaller/lighter design... They work good.. just have to do some engeering on mounting.. and some plumbing... (personally I would get rid of the hydraulic pump too.. and add another pump.. but that's another story...) build a front Axle or one off a smaller tractor anything other than that big beast...

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G-MAN

08-11-2003 15:38:27




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: John Deere 6030 in reply to JDGnut, 08-11-2003 14:25:42  
It's been years ago that I saw the 6030 narrow front, and I didn't look at it that close, but it does stick in my mind that he was running a steering motor and not a cylinder. The pull got out, and he didn't pull, so I don't even know how well it ran. There is a stock (full-sized - not lightened up) 6030 w/cab that pulls a bunch down home, and he can put on a show in the heavy classes. It usually comes down to him and a pretty good-running 4640 QR that is owned by some friends of mine, and they usually end up having at least one pull-off. I've yet to see a Binder pull in the 15,500 and 18,500 classes against those boys.

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JDGnut

08-11-2003 20:02:38




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: John Deere 6030 in reply to G-MAN, 08-11-2003 15:38:27  
Not sure on the narrow front.. never seen anyone switch a 6030 to the narrow... Usually a custom built.. or a small framed tractor wide front.. but I have seen some of the 6030 pulling in the 10,000 farm class... some of the classes have 650 cid limit.. with a little work you can get the 619 there easily... Just saying there is a ton of wasted weight on the front of the 6030 for pulling..
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G-MAN

08-12-2003 07:43:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: John Deere 6030 in reply to JDGnut, 08-11-2003 20:02:38  
I agree. The one I saw was a pure pulling tractor, and I would have liked to have seen it pull, except they got rained out, and he didn't come back the next day. The 6030 was way overbuilt, but at least it had good enough horsepower for it's weight. I have a good friend who still farms with two of them. Personally, I'd like to have one to play with, but if I were going to build a serious pulling tractor, I'd start with a different platform, and something a little more practical.

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yep

08-10-2003 10:06:12




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 Re: John Deere 6030 in reply to John, 08-10-2003 07:16:03  
put a steel frame on the front, pressed steel wheels, etc. and you can lighten it up plenty. they're 531 c.i. from the factory so they make pretty good power with just some pump work and other small things. you can put the 619 c.i. overhaul kit in and make serious power.



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Gpower

08-10-2003 17:54:13




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 Re: Re: John Deere 6030 in reply to yep, 08-10-2003 10:06:12  
The 6030 had a 619ci engine as well, these had the turbo's on them. Probably more of them with the 619 than the 531. The 531 are just naturally aspirated.



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G-MAN

08-11-2003 13:59:55




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 Re: Re: Re: John Deere 6030 in reply to Gpower, 08-10-2003 17:54:13  
I have to jump on the bandwagon with the other guys. The ONLY engine available in the 6030 was the 6531 in both the turbocharged/aftercooled and naturally-aspirated engines. However, as has been mentioned, the 6619 is an easy swap, and it's a sure bet that there are scads of 6030s running around with that engine. Most guys just can't tell the difference without looking at the engine tag. Deere was nice to us when it came to engine swaps and interchangeability. There are also a bunch of 4430s and 4630s running around with 6466 engines in them.

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Gpower

08-11-2003 15:17:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: John Deere 6030 in reply to G-MAN, 08-11-2003 13:59:55  
Ok I will have to jump back on the bandwagon, I never said the 6030 had the 619 from the factory, just that there are some 6030's with the 619 in them. I guess I will have to start rewording the way I post, so you boys will understand what I am saying, even though the word FACTORY is not in my original post.



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G-MAN

08-11-2003 15:46:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: John Deere 6030 in reply to Gpower, 08-11-2003 15:17:52  
"The 6030 had a 619ci engine as well, these had the turbo's on them" I'm not trying to cause a problem, but that post sure reads like you're referring to a factory tractor, even if "factory" wasn't used in the post. Apparently several people took it that way, at least. If you weren't referring to stock (as in from the factory) 6030s, which tractors were you referring to? I thought the original post was about regular old 6030s and their potential. Is that not what we're discussing? It looks to me like you were under the impression that the turboed 6030s had 619s, and the naturally-aspirated ones ran 531s. Not a big deal, and everyone makes mistakes or is occasionally wrong - I know I have been. To me, it kind of defeats the purpose of a discussion board to let inaccurate information get circulated, because then instead of one misguided person, you end up with several dozen or more. So, if you want to take offense at some friendly corrections, that's your business. At any rate, any real or imagined mistake has now been taken care of, and everyone knows what power the 6030s left the factory with.

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John

08-11-2003 17:09:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: John Deere 6030 in reply to G-MAN, 08-11-2003 15:46:56  
Yea boys, this is the info I was looking for. The turbo and NA tractors both were 531 cubic inches. I'd still like more ideas on front ends and weight loss(I'm a little confused on the front end swap). Keep the good information coming!

John



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Joe

01-18-2004 14:50:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: John Deere 6030 in reply to John, 08-11-2003 17:09:41  
I have a 5020 weighing in at around 9500#. I used a steering axle out of a john deere model 55 combine. I removed 3 point hitch, hydraulics, PTO, built light fender brackets, built light adjustable hitch, and 9 bolt wheels. I am currently building 619. Hope this helps.



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1206SWMO

08-10-2003 20:11:24




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 Re: Re: Re: John Deere 6030 in reply to Gpower, 08-10-2003 17:54:13  
All 6030's had 531's from the factory.A few were NA and most were turboed.No one has ever been able to prove that a factory 619 6030 was built.The 619 bolts right in and is considered a factory replacement engine.

There are some 6030 JD pullers in Indiana running 619's took out to over 800 cubes.They are hard to beat as no other makes can build up that nearly that big.



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john dekryger

10-01-2003 18:46:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: John Deere 6030 in reply to 1206SWMO, 08-10-2003 20:11:24  
i would like to have a 6030 with a 619 in it.



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karl

08-10-2003 18:42:34




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 Re: Re: Re: John Deere 6030 in reply to Gpower, 08-10-2003 17:54:13  
There was no 6030 from the factory with a 619.



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Mark

08-10-2003 17:50:56




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 Re: Re: John Deere 6030 in reply to yep, 08-10-2003 10:06:12  
If you're interested,I can sell you hi-perf engine parts for that big buck.



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chris

09-10-2003 13:39:31




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 Re: Re: Re: John Deere 6030 in reply to Mark, 08-10-2003 17:50:56  
what kind of parts do you have



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