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what fuel to use on 12:1 compression on super 88 g

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george

07-31-2003 10:59:52




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anyone have info, octane, additives? rules don't allow straight alcohol.




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07-31-2003 19:48:25




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 Re: what fuel to use on 12:1 compression on super in reply to george, 07-31-2003 10:59:52  
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t-rex

07-31-2003 11:06:42




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 Re: what fuel to use on 12:1 compression on super in reply to george, 07-31-2003 10:59:52  
you should have at least 106 leaded fuel. Or possibly C-12 by VP



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ChadS

07-31-2003 13:53:23




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 Re: Re: what fuel to use on 12:1 compression on su in reply to t-rex, 07-31-2003 11:06:42  
I would be afraid to see an 88 with a very large engine on alcohol. That would be one powerful ride! My opinon on fuel is finding the right fuel for your engine. Some engines run good on racing fuel, some don't. C-14 is a good starting base fuel for pulling engines. It makes more power as the rpms increase. One of the biggest problems on high compression engines is detonation, and preignition. Detonation occurs when the air fuel mixture continues to burn after the cyl fires, instead of one complete burn cycle. This usually happens when you have a low grade fuel. Preignition is a harder condition to detect. It will sound like its pinging. This is due to improper ingition timing, valve lash, or too hot of fuel. Too hot of fuel means that it is too explosive for the compression, it ignites in the cyl before the timed spark from the plugs. You can play with the timing alot, but it just sometimes never completly goes away. I look for a slower burning fuel in a lower rpm engine. (under 3000) Alcohol is the best slow burning fuel there is. The next best fuel I have found is a mixture. Of a 94 octane premium gas and ethanol. 50-50 mix. It has a high octane rating (around 108) and it is a slow burning fuel as well. I have dynoed several fuels in pulling engines, like C12,16,18VP, Turbo Blue, just to name a few, I have not found anything better than the gas/ethanol mix, for controlling preignition, detonation, and making great HP. Just my opinion, hope this helps ChadS

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buickanddeere

07-31-2003 17:31:35




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 Re: Re: Re: what fuel to use on 12:1 compression o in reply to ChadS, 07-31-2003 13:53:23  
Some terms tend to get thrown around. Preignition is when the air/fuelmixture is heated to it's ignition temp by too high compression or from a red/white hot piece of gasket,soot or spark plug electrode. Tendency is increased with too hot coolant, too hot plug and hot air/fuel mixture. Detonation can occur by it's self or along with preignition. It's a high speed over pressure shock wave that blows gaskets, breaks ring lands, spins rod bearing and breaks cranks. Caused is uncontrolled combustion instantly in most of the combustion chamber or colliding flame fronts from multiple ignition areas. A sudden high pressure spike rather than "long modest pressure less/burn speed". Too Hot Fuel causing explosions.....? Do you mean air/fuel mixture temp, combustion temp at styrometric mixture,it's vapour or boiling point? The explosion and broken equipment is detonation. Flame speed in feet per second is previously stated is critical. Alcohol has a slower flame speed AND will cool the intake mixture further reducing knock/ping. The large volume of alcohol vs. gasoline and it's low evaporation temp is key. Gasoline made for radial engined airplanes at 2200 rpm has a slower flame speed than CAM2 for small block Chevs at 9000rpm. Try 100 LL or mixing it with Sunoco 94. Less plug fouling that the over leaded racing gas too.

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