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Gary

05-23-2001 07:09:37




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There is much discussion about rules, fairness
of rules and the equal enforcement of rules at about every pull these days and I don't think its a "good" or "bad" necessarily.The way most organizations make their rules is by a majority vote of members,sounds fair, or is it? Most differences about rules generally center around
Brands[Case,Deere etc].So is it fair to have the
peolple voting on rules dominated by 1 or 2 brands? Why not let each brand have 1 vote? All the pullers that pull a certain brand would elect
their rep to the rule making committee and they
would set the rules with each brand getting equal
consideration in the process.

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MIKE

05-24-2001 04:13:07




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 Re: Rules in reply to Gary, 05-23-2001 07:09:37  
In our club, the basic rules are based on Tire sizes and Pace. 13.6 up to 4500 lbs, 15.5 up to 6500?, 16.9 up to 8000, and 18.4 over 8000 lbs. These are the two easiest things to check, without all of the enforcement measures other rules need. We don't need a tach, a dyno, or a tech man to check engine components. Basically, if you have the tires on it for the right class and can turn them, you can be competetive. If a Farmall M, Massey 44, or similar tractor wants to drop down to 4500 lbs that't fine, but they need to have the small tires on. Then when they jump up into the weights they belong, they either have to change tires, or give up tire width. Usually the smaller tractors will clean up in their classes anyways because they have the weight distribution better.

We also have cut and uncut tire divisions within the weight classes. This year, we are alternating pace and non pace classes every 500 lbs to give the people in the stands a little more to watch. The guys with the horses sign up, and some of the guys without the horses don't(although many will sign up just to get another hook). It gives guys a real good idea of how much the pace levels the field. Usually the guys that do well in the non-pace classes don't do nearly as well in the pace classes because they are overpowered for pace and as soon as they gun it, they dig a big hole. The guys with the right power for the pace tend to "get into" the track a little better.

One of the biggest reasons for running these rules is lack of help to run the pull. One guy can hook, check tire cut and size, walk the pace rope, unhook, and ride the sled back. It doesn't take an army to run the pull. If needed, the pull could be run by 4 competent people(that may be the case this weekend so we'll test this theory - many of the organizers have other engagements this weekend.)

MIKE

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Tyler

05-24-2001 12:46:38




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 Re: Re: Rules in reply to MIKE, 05-24-2001 04:13:07  
If you are the Mike from Washingtonville PA I really think you guys got a good thing going there if you can keep it going. Dad and I really enjoyed last months pull.



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MIKE

05-25-2001 08:25:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Rules in reply to Tyler, 05-24-2001 12:46:38  
I'm glad you guys think it is going good. We had a great turnout last month - the most hooks other than the fair or show pull since we began the monthly pulls. I think it was a little over 150 hooks). A little miscommunication on the food end, but hopefully that will get ironed out for this weekend. The problem this weekend is going to be help running things. I have a wedding to go to, our flagman has a family gathering, and our main sled operator is in charge of the prom at the school he works at that night. I thought things went pretty smoothly last month - probably as smooth as we've been sine starting up. Hopefully it'll stay that way. I think we're headed in the right direction. It sure would be nice to get a few more open tractors there. Ours should be ready for next month, but not this month.

MIKE

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Jake

05-23-2001 18:59:07




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 Re: Rules in reply to Gary, 05-23-2001 07:09:37  
My feeling is the less rules the better. About the only rules you need are safety rules (such as tip bars, kill switch etc.) a uniform tire size (I don't care what your D&^% paper says)and a real low speed limit (say 3 mph.) No RPM checks, no dynos, just go. In this way, all simaler tractors are competive as long as you are pulling in your correct weight class. Example: Oliver 88s, Farmall Ms, Massey Harris 44s, Case DCs and Moline Us and like should all be pretty equal in say the 4500 to 6500 class with a fairly stock tractor. At these weights, they should all have enough power to run 3 mph the whole way down the track if you allow unchecked rpms. Will a fairly stock Farmall H be competive in these classes? Probably not but in the 3500 and 4000 classes it should be. These old engines will take a little twisting so let em go. Just MHO....

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Charlie

05-23-2001 18:53:55




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 Re: Rules in reply to Gary, 05-23-2001 07:09:37  
How about having the rules made by tractor owners who don't pull? It might do some serious damage to some of the existing rules.



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Gary

05-24-2001 04:38:51




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 Re: Re: Rules in reply to Charlie, 05-23-2001 18:53:55  
What rules would you like to see changed in order
to get you to pull?



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burns

05-23-2001 18:17:59




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 Re: Rules in reply to Gary, 05-23-2001 07:09:37  
I think both of us can agree that there isn't a perfect system. I have pulled where each tractor is dynoed, rpm checked (before&after each pull), weighed (before&after each pull). I'll tell ya it is a lot of work and takes a heck of a lot of time. Our local club doesn't have the number of hooks that some bigger clubs get. But there isn't really that much bickering about this or that. Sure there is a lot on the honor system but I guess we are all tired of nick picking that occurs at the other clubs.

As far as equal representation of all brands, it may help but I think there is to much politics involved. Count me out.

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missery

05-24-2001 04:29:24




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 Re: Re: Rules in reply to burns, 05-23-2001 18:17:59  
our club will have the scales open before a pull,but you are not require to go there.after you pull,you go directlyto the tec shed,where you are checkedfor weight,rpm,drawbar ect.....this works well for time.you don't show up at the shed,your dQ. so far it keeps people honest if the want that little plastic trophy. Dave.



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oldtimer

05-26-2001 06:48:30




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 Re: Re: Re: Rules in reply to missery, 05-24-2001 04:29:24  
we have a scales as the tractors pull onto the track ,rpm check (sometimes) WEIGHT,DRAWBAR,TIRE SIZE if something is not right the puller has a chance to remidy it and come back and pull thats what they came for,I drive 60 to 100 miles one way and if I were to be DQ'ed after the pull on some tecnicality you can bet your whatever I won't be back there pulling. It's the fun of pulling(, not the 2.75 trophy) that MOST OF US PULL FOR.

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