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Little Help Please - Primer Paint

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Ramrod

09-09-2004 18:53:58




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Been lurking, help a newbie painter wanna be. I need specifics on brands and types of pretreater/primer/paint that will work together. I figure to Picklex my bare NAA and then prime and paint. Been using rattle cans, but gonna start over and do it right. Where do I find Picklex and the other stuff, paint supplier? Self etching primer? Epoxy primer? Color coat? Color/Clear coat? I'm raring to try this stuff, but don't wanna make a real big mess outta my NAA, whatta y'all think I should use/do to make this thing look good and last a long time? I really don't like to do things twice, and I don't mind spending some extra to get it done right the first time.

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Ramrod

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CNKS

09-10-2004 06:47:10




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 Re: Little Help Please - Primer Paint in reply to Ramrod, 09-09-2004 18:53:58  
All of your questions are answered in the archives. As an example, on a properly prepared surface with PPG Omni -- MP 170 epoxy primer on the cast followed by MAE acrylic enamel with or without hardener, or, better, MTK acrylic urethane, must have hardener. Same thing on sheet metal except use MP181 (without hardener) or MP182 (with hardener) over the epoxy. Just type "Picklex 20" in a Google search, you will get the corporate site and suppliers. As discussed previously there are many products other than Picklex, but Picklex is the only one I have used, and it works for me. Far as I know the stuff is mail order only. I don't think bc/cc is needed on a tractor, never tried it, looks like just one more step to mess up. As to supplied air systems, I bit the bullet and bought a Hobby Air, because I figure that is better than something I could make myself, that way I know the thing is working right--others have different opinions.

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Adam Paul

09-09-2004 21:54:19




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 Re: Little Help Please - Primer Paint in reply to Ramrod, 09-09-2004 18:53:58  
Ramrod, great to see you here!!!
I'm not the one to answer on the Picklex, but second the thought on the dealer. As a result of dealers, I prefer my NAPA/Martin Senour dealer. When I started out, (to me at least) it seemed like the other dealers were like "rock stars". Not saying this is always the case, just what happened to me... As a result, me the "newer" painter just got better service, and better information from the above mentioned....
I believe it was Rod NH and CNKS that recently had a good discussion on the Picklex, and the primer issue is always in discussion....
I hear a lot of good things about the Omni paint, but never used it myself...
I've been looking around for a fresh air sytem for you, and as soon as I find one, I'll let you know. I see your thinking about BC/CC, so the positive air system should be your first thought.
Thank you for reading my post at the "N" board. I just hope others read it as well.
Adam

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Ramrod

09-10-2004 03:00:07




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 Re: Little Help Please - Primer Paint in reply to Adam Paul, 09-09-2004 21:54:19  
I've been thinking about the fresh air system too. Full face mask is easy on eBay, even entire systems, but still pricey. If I can't use my compressor for air supply because of the oil in the air, why not use a (new/clean) shop vac? They're cheap enough, and already plumbed to a hose that would adapt easily.



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Big Jim

09-09-2004 21:01:02




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 Re: Little Help Please - Primer Paint in reply to Ramrod, 09-09-2004 18:53:58  
Don't use Sherwin Williams over Picklex.
Other than that, pick a brand that you have access to and use products all from the same company.
The quality of your dealer is as important as the brand you choose. If you have access to multiple brands, I personaly like the PPG Omni line. They are about 1/2 the cost of PPG's first line and are easy to work with. Did I mention, find a good dealer?

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CNKS

09-10-2004 06:33:29




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 Re: Little Help Please - Primer Paint in reply to Big Jim, 09-09-2004 21:01:02  
"Don't use Sherwin Williams over Picklex" -- Why? I have not used SW, but have used Omni over Picklex with no problems. I've always used epoxy primer over the Picklex first. There is still some question in my mind whether or not I should be using any phosphoric acid product on cast iron because it is porous -- is this what you are referring to?--I have recommended Picklex, but I'm still trying to get all the info I can.

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Dozerboss

09-10-2004 09:18:45




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 Re: Little Help Please - Primer Paint in reply to CNKS, 09-10-2004 06:33:29  
CNKS, A while back Rod posted a link from another board about Sherwin Williams epoxy peeling after it was sprayed over picklex on a car body. If i recall correctly The car was restripped/blasted and a second application peeled as well. Turned into an expensive ordeal. Should be in the archives or look back to 8/19 "epoxy primer caution". A good read before deciding on a brand switch or trial use.

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CNKS

09-10-2004 13:52:24




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 Re: Little Help Please - Primer Paint in reply to Dozerboss, 09-10-2004 09:18:45  
I think that was Valspar -- he used an "epoxy primer with etching properties" over Picklex. I have heard that you shouldn't mix etching products -- ie use etch primer or Picklex, but not both. Since Picklex etchies, there is no need to use an etch primer over it.



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Dozerboss

09-10-2004 19:07:32




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 Re: Little Help Please - Primer Paint in reply to CNKS, 09-10-2004 13:52:24  
Your absolutely correct, i thought Valspar was a division of Sherwin Williams. My mistake, i should have reread it myself!



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