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COMBUSTIBLE FUMES?

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JEFF G

02-18-2004 16:14:20




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I PLAN TO SPRAY PAINT A TRACTOR IN A GARAGE 16'X35' RATHER THAN OUTSIDE TO KEEP DOWN ON DUST. I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP THE SLIDING DOOR OPEN PARTIALLY AND PLACE A SQUIRREL CAGE FAN AT THE OPENING, BLOWING OWTWARD TO SUCK SOME OF THE FUMES AND OVERSPRAY OUT. THE QUESTION I HAVE, IS THE ELECTRIC MOTOR SPARK GOING TO BE A HAZZARD WITH THE PAINT FUMES? DO I NEED TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT COMBUSTION OR AN EXPLOSION? I KNOW THIS MAY SOUND LIKE A DUMB QUESTION BUT IT IS BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY. THANKS FOR THE SUGGESTIONS. JEFF

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Brad

02-19-2004 20:13:38




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 Re: COMBUSTIBLE FUMES? in reply to JEFF G, 02-18-2004 16:14:20  
While I have not yet done any painting, a friend told me his set-up was to build a plastic room around the car he was painting outdoors and have the fan blowing INTO the paint area rather than out of the painting area. He put a filter on the intake side of the fan and had an exit for the fumes and air that was opposite where he positioned the fan. He did it this way so that fumes were blowing away from the fan motor.

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Rod (NH)

02-19-2004 16:36:22




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 Re: COMBUSTIBLE FUMES? in reply to JEFF G, 02-18-2004 16:14:20  
Hi Jeff,

Another controversial subject huh :o)?

Well, It's not a dumb question. I have done just that in years past but would not repeat it now. Many apparently do what you are asking but since I would not myself, I do not recommend it to others. There is a reason why professional paint spray booths (well ventilated) are required by the OSHA to have explosion-proof electrical equipment and wiring. Here is a section of OSHA General Industry Standards, section 1910.107:

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1910.107(c)(6)
"Wiring type approved." Electrical wiring and equipment not subject to deposits of combustible residues but located in a spraying area as herein defined shall be of explosion-proof type approved for Class I, group D locations and shall otherwise conform to the provisions of subpart S of this part, for Class I, Division 1, Hazardous Locations. Electrical wiring, motors, and other equipment outside of but within twenty (20) feet of any spraying area, and not separated therefrom by partitions, shall not produce sparks under normal operating conditions and shall otherwise conform to the provisions of subpart S of this part for Class I, Division 2 Hazardous Locations.
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That's one of the reasons I prefer to schedule my infrequent painting for a nice day outside. However, as with the matter of health issues relating to isocyanates, if you are not required to comply with OSHA safety rules it is a personal decision. OSHA regs are always good guidance though even if not mandatory in a particular instance. Your risk, your decision.

Before I discontinued the practice I reviewed the lower explosive limits of typical enamel reducers, the anticipated total quantity released in painting a car, the total space volume involved and the estimated ventilation rate. I concluded that the average concentration in the space would most likely be on the safe side. However, I had no way of estimating with any level of confidence what the localized concentration might be in air flowing around and through the sparking open motors driving the two household window fans that I was using. I was concerned enough about potential ramifications to simply stop doing it. For me it wasn't worth the perceived risk. Others may approach such a situation differently.

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Rusty Jones/ The Mower Ma

02-23-2004 14:12:14




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 Re: Re: COMBUSTIBLE FUMES? in reply to Rod (NH), 02-19-2004 16:36:22  
One place i worked had an old electric fan/ motor stuck in the window of the body shop "spray booth"! One day, i decided to take the back cover off the motor! WOW-WOW-WOW!!! The whole inside of the motor cover was full of hardened overspray, caked all over the non-moving parts, wires, everything that didn't move! Ya could have knocked my eyes off with a base-ball bat!! Why it never caught fire was beyond me!! I've painted in my garage under the house, in summer time, but my exhaust fan has a sealed motor, and i left the garage door up about half-way. Any electric motor not a sealed type will make sparks, and ya don't want sparks when yer painting! RJ

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