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jd 530

11-02-2007 10:40:18




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I am building a down draft paint booth in a cold storeage building next to my shop.I live in iowa . { cold winters } What are some suggestions for heat in this room ???Will not be used more than a couple weeks of the year . Room is going to be 23'-14'-16' tall. if i would run a 12"exhaust fan it will take some heat to replace this air that is comming in???I know electric would be safer because of no open flame. Could i run an lb White on the outside of this room{burning outside air but still under roof }pushing hot air into this room, venting it in ?? open for for any suggestions on building a paint booth ... Thanks

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circus

11-03-2007 08:41:14




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 Re: Building paint booth in reply to jd 530, 11-02-2007 10:40:18  
If your set on a booth advertise. I got a used binks for $500 plus I tore it out. The BTUs needed are in the millions. The fan looks like the prop on a B52. Tons of metal. 10 gal. of bolts. Don't ask about insurance. The lost space is gone forever. Expect to replace $200 filters and clean for 2 hours every time its used.



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CNKS

11-02-2007 18:00:53




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 Re: Building paint booth in reply to jd 530, 11-02-2007 10:40:18  
Rod is correct. To add to what he said -- I built a cross-flow booth inside my building. I have since moved and will NOT put one in my new building. Paint booths will not be insured under your current policy, body shops have to buy special insurance $$$$+. Before I built it my local insurance rep said that if the company found out I had a paint booth, they would probably cancel my homeowners insurance. Also for one to work properly, you have to have every nook and crannie sealed. It did not improve the quality of my paint jobs. It did, though, completely eliminate the overspray, paint dust on everything, which was my primary goal, and I could leave the gas furnace on while painting. This time I am simply going to use my explosion proof exhaust fans by installing them in one wall of the building, that will eliminate most of the paint dust. Legal?, probably not. I will have to turn off my gas heater while painting, but my 30x30 work area will evacuate quickly. As to the incoming air with the booth, I found I could paint for 5-10 minutes in 40+ degree temperature without lowering the temp more than 5 degrees or so from my desired 70 degrees. Iowa is colder than Kansas so you will need supplemental heat unless you are painting less than 5 minutes or so, as Rod said that is cost prohibitive. Again, there is no way you can meet the local codes with a paint booth, so you are on your own regarding liability, etc.

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Rod (NH)

11-02-2007 17:25:18




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 Re: Building paint booth in reply to jd 530, 11-02-2007 10:40:18  
Hi JD530,

Before you spend a lot of time and money on building your own downdraft booth, consider some numbers that would be required to meet standard design principles. The ventilation design standard for a cross draft spray booth is 100 feet per minute air velocity across the section - in your case the section is 224 sf and the cfm required becomes about 22,000. A downdraft booth will be somewhat less in velocity because of the greater floor area used for a "section", but the air changes per minute should be about the same. The 22,000 cfm is the equivalent of about 4 air changes per MINUTE for a 23 foot long booth. A downdraft booth should be similar. To heat that amount of air from 0F to 70F will require about 1.7 million btu per hour of heat energy. This agrees favorably with the 1.5 million btuh that glennster indicates for his commercial booth. That's enough heat energy to heat between 5 and 10 conventional houses! Of course you can make do with less heat input by limiting your painting to milder outside temperatures - or taking the makeup air from a much larger, already heated space, assuming temperature drops are acceptable in that space and that the existing heating system can recover in a reasonable time.

You should remember that the ventilation standard for spray booths is to prevent a buildup of fume concentration exceeding one-fourth the lower explosive limit of typical paint solvents evaporated during the spraying process. That's the primary purpose. It's not for personal respiratory protection. While a properly designed downdraft booth does well in minimizing fumes and overspray in the painters breathing zone, it is not a substitute for proper respiratory protection. The standard also requires all electrical equipment in the booth, including lighting, to be explosion proof, plus explosion proof exhaust fan(s). The numbers (and dollars) get very big, very fast. You can minimize them by lowering your ceiling height below 16 ft if possible, but they are always going to be big. I suspect the 12 in fan you are contemplating will provide only a small percentage of what really should be used. Do you absolutely have to meet such standards? Probably not, if only you are involved, depending on what you consider to be acceptable risks - but you likely can forget about any kind of fire or liability insurance for the installation - and for any larger building that it's in or a part of.

Both the cost and the complexity of a booth that meets standards are well beyond the usual DIY category. It's why I only do my painting outside in warm weather. If you are only going to be painting a couple of weeks in the year, I'd suggest you do something similar, save yourself time and money and schedule your work to avoid painting during cold weather months. Or make friends with the owner of a local autobody shop that has the necessary facilities. Just some food for thought.

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glennster

11-02-2007 12:19:30




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 Re: Building paint booth in reply to jd 530, 11-02-2007 10:40:18  
we have a downdraft booth here at the shop. has a bake cycle, we can bake up to 160 deg f. natural gas fired 1.5 million btu unit, uses 3 inch gas main. unit is outside the building, forces air into the top of the booth thru filtration unit, air exits thru the floor, thru another set of filters, thru a discharge fan, exits outside building. you will need to balance the air flow in and out for a slight negative pressure in the both to evacuate the fumes and overspray. you can accomplish it with shudders on in and outflow ducting. it will take some engineering to build one.

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