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Rod (NH)

10-14-2006 15:40:52




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I believe you've said you've tried out "The Must For Rust" that's available at Home Depot. I noticed some today - $6.97 for a quart. That's compares with $59.00 + shipping for a quart of Picklex 20 (at ABS). That's a huge difference in price. I was reading the label instuctions and noticed that you can optionally either wash it off or wipe it dry. I've used Picklex 20 because it was the only offering in phosphoric acid treatments I had seen that didn't require a water wash after application - something I prefer to avoid if possible. And unlike the PPG and DuPont treatments, was a single step. Do you think it works similarly and as good as the Picklex? I know it's not possible to compare definitively w/o specialized testing. Just asking for your initial thoughts. There are so many different, proprietary phosphoric acid formulations out there that it is difficult (if not impossible) to evaluate them - except for their marketing claims. BTW, I see The Must For Rust claims it is also good for cast iron, something that has been questionable for any such treatments as far as I know. PPG doesn't recommed theirs for cast. Both DuPont and Picklex are silent on their products regarding cast.

Rod

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jason(ma)

10-17-2006 04:31:33




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 Re: CNKS, others... in reply to Rod (NH), 10-14-2006 15:40:52  
I haven't found it in my area yet, did this just come in Rod? What area are you finding it in. I hate trying to find anything in the store.



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CNKS

10-19-2006 14:19:40




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 Re: CNKS, others... in reply to jason(ma), 10-17-2006 04:31:33  
Been a couple of years since I bought any. Mine was before the paint area, I think in the "cleaners" area. I agree with you on HD, just a blur to me.



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Rod (NH)

10-17-2006 16:20:27




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 Re: CNKS, others... in reply to jason(ma), 10-17-2006 04:31:33  
Jason,

As far as I know it's not something new. I'm not sure since I wasn't looking before and just noticed it the other day. It caught my eye because it has been mentioned on here before. It was in the paint area, in the same aisle as the solvents but farther down, I think. At least that's where it was in the Rochester store. It was in one quart, white plastic spray bottles.

Rod



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CNKS

10-14-2006 18:15:23




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 Re: CNKS, others... in reply to Rod (NH), 10-14-2006 15:40:52  
As you say I have no way of knowing. I have used both on cast, but a while back I noticed a slight amount of peeling paint on cast that may or may not have been caused by Picklex -- paint is 4 years old, so I really can't say. I don't have much of a rust problem on bare metal, so I doubt if I use it on cast again -- at least not extensively. I will use it for nooks and crannies on cast and otherwise for parts I don't wish to sandblast and can't reach with a wire brush. I don't think either is intended as a rust converter to the extent that Ospho and POR 15 are, but both are probably ok for light rust. I really have not used either as you want to on your mower. I would guess that it would work, and that you won't see any immediate lifting or other loss of adherance to the paint. I would still recommend removing as much of the residue as you can with a scotchbrite pad and then wax and grease remover. Must for Rust or Picklex do not leave the hard black residue that you usually get with a "true" rust converter, but rather a white powdery surface that I consider unstable. But, I have not used it on totally rusty parts, and do see some black mixed in with the white -- this is probably rusty areas where I did not mechanically remove the rust. It may be on heavy rust that you do see the black residue. I kind of look at them as a cross between the "metalprep" type compounds used to etch new sheet metal and the Ospho/POR 15 products. Where I have used both of them, I can't tell the difference, that is not to say a difference does or does not exist. For a protectant on bare metal other than cast, which I originally started using Picklex for, as far as I'm concerned, there is no difference. I have now told you more than I know! Let's just say I use them with caution.

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Rod (NH)

10-15-2006 18:39:07




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 Re: CNKS, others... in reply to CNKS, 10-14-2006 18:15:23  
I have a gut feeling that the Picklex is way overpriced for what it is. There would have to be something special that's different about it that's not mentioned in the claims for it to be worth 10 times the price over the Must For Rust. Or the Must For Rust is a scam, which I doubt. I'll use it on my Kut-Kwick because it's already on the way here but in the future when I use such stuff, I'll try the Must For Rust. I normally do as you do with phosphoric acid treatment - only for flash rust or to protect sandblasted surfaces until I can properly prime with epoxy. Here, I am going to use it as a prep for the Zero Rust, as recommended at ABS. This is not flash rust by any means but real heavy duty stuff from at least 20 years exposure to the elements. It's very tightly adhering (no scaling) and hasn't seemed to get any worse over the years. Maybe because of the good steel from the 50's combined with no exposure to road salt has been the reason. Anyway, wirebrushing only gets a small amount of loose surface rust and the rest is there to stay. Only sandblasting would get it all and that's out of the question on this project.

I did get a head start on it all these last few days which have been nice - in the mid 50's during the day. It won't last long however. I managed to get it completely disassembled and while the weather was favorable I was able to get the major parts degreased and cleaned outside using combinations of scraping, oven cleaner, foamy Gunk, POR's Marine Clean and a pressure washer. That's a big step that I couldn't have done near as well inside.

I found that I have to replace both tires. It doesn't show in the picture in my other post but they both are severely weather cracked, especially on the inner side. I was also able to get both rims cleaned up, wire brushed and POR15 applied to the inside surface yesterday. I used that since I had some left over from the snowblower and I was able to do it outside. I just brushed it on. I have to admit it brushes on nicely and flows out extremely well. No hint of any brush marks. And I used a cheap throw-away brush. You'd really think it had been sprayed on. If I were able to do the rest of it outside, I'd probably do it with the POR and topcoat with a urethane but that's not going to be. Hopefully, I'll be pleased with how the Zero Rust applies. I am wavering about topcoating the Zero Rust with a non-iso gloss alkyd paint. I may wind up using the Zero Rust as just a primer rather than the whole thing. I'll decide when I see what the Zero Rust looks like. I believe it's a satin finish and not a gloss. I may do the gas tank with a urethane in the Spring. That can be done by itself easily, wouldn't tie up the machine for long and would provide some gasoline spill resistance - at least on the tank.

34F this morning. We haven't had a killing frost up here yet (1100' elev) but they have down in the valley. Any day now though.

Rod

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