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NB06IH1066

04-06-2006 11:52:00




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Is the CASE IH REN #3001 hardener the stuff to use with my 2150??

Does Case IH sell a reducer? or is it ok to just use the case ih thinner. Ive always used the thinner, but would a reducer be better or are they one in the same?




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Andrew Betzner

04-06-2006 20:31:24




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 Re: CASE IH hardener and thinner/reducer in reply to NB06IH1066, 04-06-2006 11:52:00  
I don't know what you guys are talking about but the guy at case told me that Case doesn't make a harderner..... .



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CNKS

04-07-2006 05:19:51




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 Re: CASE IH hardener and thinner/reducer in reply to Andrew Betzner, 04-06-2006 20:31:24  
I would say it's less that a year old--If you want to know for sure, call Carter and Gruenwald, a CIH dealer in WI that does a lot of internet/telephone orders--www.cngco.com, 866-327-6255. Unfortunately, many CIH dealers only know what is in their computer, and sometimes don't even look for that.



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TDK

04-06-2006 20:22:39




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 Re: CASE IH hardener and thinner/reducer in reply to NB06IH1066, 04-06-2006 11:52:00  
I have found a 4:1 ratio sprays real well with the 2150. Have always used acrylic enamel reducer and NAPA Super Gloss hardner. 2150 definitely won't spray well at the recommended 8:1 ratio.



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gauger

04-11-2006 10:17:16




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 Re: CASE IH hardener and thinner/reducer in reply to TDK, 04-06-2006 20:22:39  
I don't what you are doing but I've been shooting 2150 for years and at 8:1 with the Case IH thinner at 45 psi in a cheap Craftsman cup gun it flows like glass and shines so good that I've been asked what clear coat I use.



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CNKS

04-06-2006 19:56:05




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 Re: CASE IH hardener and thinner/reducer in reply to NB06IH1066, 04-06-2006 11:52:00  
Mike has used it, I haven't, so if you can find the products he recommends, do that. If you want to be absolutely safe, use all Case-IH products. As for the orange tint, (Mike can correct me), it is supposed to be there, and it will turn to a darker red in a couple of weeks -- but it will always be there to an extent, not very noticeable in outside light -- it is also there with PPG 71310 the 2150 equivalent. I believe 2150 was used on the 1066--the color is more of a personal preference, but I believe the "correct" color does have some orange in it. I'm sorry about the confusion as to which hardener/thinner/reducer to use. It's too late now, and you don't want to spend the money, but that is only one reason why PPG/DuPont, etc acrylic urethanes are better than the old alkyd enamels, even the so-called acrylic modified alkyd enamel that 2150 is -- there are precise mixing instructions that you never need to deviate from. I painted the sheet metal on my 460 with PPG Omni 71310 acrylic urethane, other than a little dirt I can't seem to avoid, the finish is very high gloss with very little orange peel. And I do NOT consider myself an experienced painter, as I don't paint often enough to develop much skill.

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NB06IH1066

04-06-2006 20:02:38




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 Re: CASE IH hardener and thinner/reducer in reply to CNKS, 04-06-2006 19:56:05  
no need to apologize.... thank you all for the great comments and opinions and info... it will help alot... you are right... the ih 2150 can says 8:1 but i just cant spray it that thick without heavy orange peel... maybe its just me and my skills... but i have simply tried to find a ratio that works better for me.. I will have to take the plunge and use some omni or ppg next time...



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Mike S 806/H

04-07-2006 12:13:02




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 Re: CASE IH hardener and thinner/reducer in reply to NB06IH1066, 04-06-2006 20:02:38  
I mix at 8:1 reducer and hardener, sprays great, as for heavy orange peel that can be from not enough air pressure,



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Mike S 806/H

04-06-2006 17:58:09




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 Re: CASE IH hardener and thinner/reducer in reply to NB06IH1066, 04-06-2006 11:52:00  
I use Acrylic enamel reducer and Acrylic hardener with 2150, You can get this at a auto paint store, I personally like painters pride reducer and hardener, Painters pride hardener part number is 747, Also its just my preference but if I was painting our 1066 I would use the CaseIH Gloss Red not 2150, 2150 has a orange tint to it,



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the tractor vet

04-07-2006 15:58:42




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 Re: CASE IH hardener and thinner/reducer in reply to Mike S 806/H, 04-06-2006 17:58:09  
The 2150 covers all letter seires up to the 88 seires and when ya get to the mag. that is when the paint changed .



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CNKS

04-06-2006 14:47:01




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 Re: CASE IH hardener and thinner/reducer in reply to NB06IH1066, 04-06-2006 11:52:00  
I don't know the number, CIH also sells paint for the newer tractors, but I bet the hardener is the same. Rod(NH) probably has a better answer for the reducer/thinner. To me thinner is used for alkyd enamel (Case-IH), reducer is used for acrylic enamels and urethanes, the exact chemical difference I don't know without looking at the MSDS. Reducer comes in different temperature ranges, thinner is usually only one.

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NB06IH1066

04-06-2006 18:45:09




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 Re: CASE IH hardener and thinner/reducer in reply to CNKS, 04-06-2006 14:47:01  
So i want to use the Case IH gloss red? so much info confuses me severly.

Here is my current mix...

8 parts 2150 rouge red
2 parts case ih paint thinner
1 part Case IH valspar REN#3001 hardener

I have already purchased the 2150 red.. next time i will try gloss red... DOES GLOSS RED GIVE BETTER SHINE THAN 2150??

Would using an automotive reducer improve my product/finish enough to justify the added cost?

Please feel free to give any advice on these matters...

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Mike S 806/H

04-07-2006 12:25:01




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 Re: CASE IH hardener and thinner/reducer in reply to NB06IH1066, 04-06-2006 18:45:09  
The Gloss red is just a little darker then 2150, but not much, I opened 2150 and gloss red side by side and really didnt see much difference, Im going to paint our 826 and use gloss red, the automotive reducer and hardener is not much difference in price then the caseIH thinner/hardener, I use the acrylic reducer & hardener in CaseIH and John Deere green, Also use medium dry reducer if its cold weather, and slow dry if hot weather

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Rod (NH)

04-06-2006 16:14:20




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 Re: CASE IH hardener and thinner/reducer in reply to CNKS, 04-06-2006 14:47:01  
Here's my take on it: In the world of automotive paints, the term reducer is applied to a solvent used to "reduce" or thin enamels and urethanes, even alkyd enamel. The term thinner is only applied to a solvent used to thin lacquers. I realize that the term thinner is used almost exclusively for all types of paint outside the auto refinish industry and the term reducer is rarely used at all, if ever. It's a matter of sematics, definition and common usage since they both serve similar purposes; even though they may have much different chemistries and are generally not interchangeable.

You are correct that non-automotive thinners are not generally available in different temperature ranges. However, in the automotive world, they are (or at least were). For example, DuPont had at least five different temperature thinners available for their Lucite acrylic lacquer back in the '70's. I don't know what happend to Lucite - it's not shown on the DuPont website. Lacquer is not common at all anymore, although I guess it is still used by some auto-restoration purists. I see PPG still lists it on their website (Duracryl) and it has five different temperature thinners listed for use with it. You have to want it really bad to pay the price though.

Rod

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