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Zach00

04-03-2006 16:16:39




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What does hardener do? Is it worth putting it in the paint? what are the advantages/disadvantages of it? thanks in advance




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Shaun E.

04-29-2006 21:03:06




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 Re: hardener in reply to Zach00, 04-03-2006 16:16:39  
I definitly recommend using hardener. Don't waste your time/money/effort without it. I wished I had used it the first time. Hardener will give you a hard durable finish, a nice glossy shine, prevent fading, and it speeds up drying time (incredibly speeds up dry time) Make sure, though, that the hardener is compatible with the paint. Most of the tractor paint brands have it available. I use Valspar hardener with Farm & Fleet Heavy Duty Implement Enamel.

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B-maniac

04-07-2006 19:05:19




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 Re: hardener in reply to Zach00, 04-03-2006 16:16:39  
There are also quallity differences in paint and hardeners. A cheap paint is better when used with a hardener,BUT, a cheap paint with a cheap hardener will still just get you a cheap paint job. It still will not shine and hold a shine and stay true to it's color like a quallity urethane will. It still all comes down to what you are going to do with the tractor (or whatever) and how long you want to keep it and what you want to spend.

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davpal

04-04-2006 00:13:50




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 Re: hardener in reply to Zach00, 04-03-2006 16:16:39  
It is the cheapest insurance you can have to making a paint job turn out nice. The paint will be much more durable, and much more glossy. There is no substitute for it. I always used implement enamel without hardner for years and always got mixed reults on the finished product. Orange peel, sags, dull finish,wrinkled paint. With hardner in ordinary implement enamel you will have a finish that resembles an automotive finish paint job at a fraction of the cost. I think valspar brand is at tsc and costs about $8.00 dollars and will do a gallon. Just follow the instructions and like these other guys say, use a nice respirator and if you can, spray it outside. Good luck, the results are awesome!

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zach00

04-03-2006 21:38:05




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 Re: hardener in reply to Zach00, 04-03-2006 16:16:39  
thanks for the replies



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Rod (NH)

04-03-2006 17:14:36




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 Re: hardener in reply to Zach00, 04-03-2006 16:16:39  
Hi Zach,

A hardener causes paint to cure by a chemical reaction between the ingredients rather a long term oxidation of the film in the air.

Advantages:
1. Provides a generally harder, more durable and chemical resistant paint film
2. Eliminates any recoat sensitivity problem
3. Enables performing repairs of painting mistakes after a relatively short period 4. Enables "color sanding" and compounding (buffing), if desired, for a near perfect finish

Disadvantages:
1. Higher cost
2. Contains very toxic chemical ingredients (isocyanates) that are particularly hazardous to breathe, get in your eyes or on your skin. Responsible authorities always recommend a fresh-air breathing system ($400+) when using such materials.

Others may add or subtract from my above list. You will have to decide for yourself what kind of cost-benefit risk is acceptable to you. Personally, I would not use a hardener without a fresh-air breathing system. I do not believe the advantages are worth the health risks involved in doing so. I do, however, believe the advantages of the hardeners are well worth the extra cost to adequately protect my own health. That's why I obtained a fresh-air breathing system 25+ years ago and always use hardeners when I paint. There has been a lot of discussion of this health-safety aspect of hardeners in this forum over the past couple of years. Do a search on "isos" or "isocyanates" (without the quotes) if you wish to explore tha matter further.

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Rod (NH)

04-03-2006 17:27:23




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 Re: hardener in reply to Rod (NH), 04-03-2006 17:14:36  
PS: The use of a hardener is not always optional on the part of the user. For example all of the urethane paints and even some of the acrylic enamels (like DuPont's NASON Ful-Cryl II) actually require a hardener in order to dry properly. So check your paint choice carefully for all required ingredients.



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