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Painting Myself or Professionally

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Paul L

03-29-2006 21:15:51




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So here's the dilemma. I have nothing to paint a tractor with. DO I just take it into a body shop and get them to paint it, or do I take the wire brush and the sand paper to it, sand it down and prime and paint it. Not a show tractor, my work tractor, just like it to look a little like I care for it. Thanks Paul.




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Paul in On

04-05-2006 19:19:51




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 Re: Painting Myself or Professionally in reply to Paul L, 03-29-2006 21:15:51  
My aprehension comes when I think about taking it apart and puttin git back together. It's a FORD 4000 - need to be cautious or is it a easy tractor to take apart. That's my other question - how much do you have to take off?



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Cliff Neubauer

04-05-2006 09:42:19




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 Re: Painting Myself or Professionally in reply to Paul L, 03-29-2006 21:15:51  
The first thing I want to say is not to assume the professional paint will do a better job than you are capable of doing. I've seen alot of tractors painted by so called professionals that were not anywhere near as nice as those painted by some do it yourselfers who had never painted a tractor before. Some might consider me to be a professional painter because I do some painting for hire but I taught myself most of what I know and did it before I knew about forums like this were available to ask for help. The first tractor I painted wasn't 100% perfect and I painted the sheet metal on it several times to get it to meet my standards but if I took it to a show very few people would know that it was painted by somebody who didn't know what they were doing.

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Yugrotcart

04-01-2006 15:50:17




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 Re: Painting Myself or Professionally in reply to Paul L, 03-29-2006 21:15:51  
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Depends on what you wanty for an end result. Personally, if its a work tractor, only a decent job is required. This is the first attempt that I made at tractor restoration and painting, turned out O.K. in my books..... ....



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B-maniac

03-31-2006 17:03:55




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 Re: Painting Myself or Professionally in reply to Paul L, 03-29-2006 21:15:51  
I believe Jason hit it right on the head with his advise. I assume hiring a professional IS an option financially or you wouldn't have mentioned it. I also agree with CNKS since I too am a profectionist,either leave it alone ,or at least pay to have at least a "7" done on it. Lot cheaper than a "10" and most people may never know the difference.Good luck!



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Hoot

03-31-2006 06:20:41




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 Re: Painting Myself or Professionally in reply to Paul L, 03-29-2006 21:15:51  
I asked a similar question about a year ago. Based on Sounders", and some other guys" advice I bought a few items, borrowed a compressor, asked the guy behind the counter of the PPG store to set me up with appropriate paint, reducer filters and stirring sticks and went at it myself. I spent about $400 on paint, a cheap HVLP gun and a good respirator.
The results were not professional (some areas thinner than I wanted, a few runs) but pretty darn good if I do say so.
I did learn a lot and if/when I do it again I am sure the results will be better yet.
1. I spent a lot of time with an angle grinder with a big wire brush on it. Old paintjust kept comming off and if I did it again I would strip it chemically first. The lye/corn starch stripper worked fine and took the old grease along with the paint.
2. Paint the cast Iron first. If you run short of paint it is easy to pull the sheet metal off to give it another coat later.

Hoot

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Rod (NH)

03-30-2006 09:16:03




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 Re: Painting Myself or Professionally in reply to Paul L, 03-29-2006 21:15:51  
Hi Paul,

As SouNdguy indicates, it's all in how much you want to spend in both time and money and how perfect and long lasting a result you want to achieve. Given what you say are your goals, I'd wire brush, sand, prime and paint. I'd recommend you also consider the possible use of a chemical stripper also, especially for the removable sheetmetal. Find a slow-dry enamel, perhaps from a dealer, that is intended for brush application and apply that way. Follow the label directions concerning priming, etc. That way you will have a minium of investment of both time and money while getting a better looking tractor that will last longer. Remove all the sheetmetal however and do individual pieces. You want to get to the hidden cracks and crevices where surface rust turns into rust-through over time. You can pay less attention to cast parts since they will last forever anyway; plus painting cast is more for cosmetic appearance than protection of the metal.

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CNKS

03-30-2006 06:40:17




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 Re: Painting Myself or Professionally in reply to Paul L, 03-29-2006 21:15:51  
I prefer rust over a lousy paint job. And, I can't tell you how to do a cross between excellent and lousy. If you are not willing to spend several days or even weeks on prep, my advice is to pay someone to do it for you. I am probably too hard to please, but there is no way I can prep a tractor in a couple of days, or even a couple of weeks.



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souNdguy

03-30-2006 11:30:49




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 Re: Painting Myself or Professionally in reply to CNKS, 03-30-2006 06:40:17  
I do realize you are a perfectionist.. however.. I prefer any paint over the metal.. vs letting the metal rust away. I've passed by too many tractors that I might have bought if the sheet metal had been intact ( not pretty.. but just in existance.. ) Even cheap paint, if applied over clean metal, will keep that nasty rust at bay, perhaps for the next ouner down the line to sand it off and do a full 'show' restoration.

I agree with you on the sanding prep for a good job. It took me weeks of sanding on my 5000 to get something I could blow paint over.

Soundguy

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CNKS

03-30-2006 12:05:25




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 Re: Painting Myself or Professionally in reply to souNdguy, 03-30-2006 11:30:49  
I strive for perfection, decide I can only get to excellent, and settle for pretty good. Point is I have bought 3 or 4 tractors with rust under the paint, given the choice I will actually pay MORE for a rusty one -- usually don't get that choice. Now if I could just get that (expletive deleted) dent out of my hood that has already been perfect, twice, until I put primer over it--.



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souNdguy

03-30-2006 12:19:55




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 Re: Painting Myself or Professionally in reply to CNKS, 03-30-2006 12:05:25  
Rust over paint is an issue. I'd only advocate painting treated or removed rust.

As for dents.. i know how you feel. Imagine my surprise when i came home from work and found the wind blowing the tube frame around on the structure over my 5000.. luckilly only the headlamp bezel was dinged.. thank goodness.. it still made me sick though..

Soundguy



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souNdguy

03-30-2006 06:28:46




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 Re: Painting Myself or Professionally in reply to Paul L, 03-29-2006 21:15:51  
Up to you based on how much $$ you want to spend.. and your time, and if you plan to do anymore painting.

If you are just looking for some color to keep the rust at bay.. a wire brush, some primer and spray cans and perhaps a brush and quart of paint for the cast will keep the water off the bare metal.

If you own a pancake compressor ( great for airing tires )... you could get a cheap 15$ chineese paint gun, air reg ( 9$ ) and filter ( 4$ - disposable) and be able to do limited painting.

I painted my first 3 tractors like this.. an 80$ 4gallon/2hp pancake compressor.. an older 15gallon air tank for filling tires, a 14$ gun marked down to 9$.. a cheap air reg for 19$ that had a filter built in.. though you can get 9$ air regs made by CH.. and 4$ disposable filters from car quest... etc. Takes patience... but gets you painting.

For a working tractor.. degreaseing and washing, removing the loose material with a wire wheel.. then sanding down the rusty spots, and then scuffing the rest of the paint can be done during a weekend, unless the thing is way gone. Figure another day for masking, prime and paint...

be carefull with the chemicals... some of the materials are quite dangerous... and DO get a good respirator mask, and if you use hardner, read and understand all the warnings... there is a thread below concerning this..

Soundguy

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Jason(ma)

03-30-2006 04:11:42




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 Re: Painting Myself or Professionally in reply to Paul L, 03-29-2006 21:15:51  
my suggestion is to pickup a couple of books on the subject and see if it's something you want to start doing. At the very least it would give you a better understanding of the process the body shop goes through. I use my painting books a lot. I also picked up a couple of books on magneto's. I read those over and then decided it was more that I wanted to do so I sent my mag off to be repaired. I hired the painting done on a set of wheels and gas tank, I now do all the painting myself. The other painter just took too long to get my stuff done.

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