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Deutz F3L514 year needed

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dean

08-28-2003 17:47:02

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Hello, I have a friend who has a Deutz F3L514/7NKFE tractor. The schlepper # is 7712/3369. I know it is about 45 horsepower, but was wondering when is was built? There is no date stamped on the identification tag. Also, it was evidentally a tractor sold out of Canada, because it has "CCIL" written on it. Can someone refresh my memory as to what this stands for?

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G Conn

08-31-2003 19:04:38

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Re: Deutz F3L514 year needed in reply to dean, 08-28-2003 17:47:02

CCIL stands for Canadian Co-op Implements Limited

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Krouthead

08-31-2003 19:20:01

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Re: Re: Deutz F3L514 year needed in reply to G Conn, 08-31-2003 19:04:38

Hi Gordon,
I guess we were posting at the same time.Haha
How have you been,good I hope.I have been doing well.I have been aquiring a few more "diamond in the rough"I have been through the engines of thes babies and I have learned alot.This week i am rebuilding a #L514 myself,just waiting on the heads,should have it done Tuesday.I ahve been winning with the 4L514 I got from you.Everybody calls it the Kroutcan.
Take care Gordon
Alan Strain

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G. Conn

09-01-2003 07:56:26

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Re: Re: Re: Deutz F3L514 year needed in reply to Krouthead, 08-31-2003 19:20:01

Hi Alan - Been following you on the pulling forum. I usually don't post unless there is something I can add, I just read. Been a wet spring and hard to plant - wet summer and now a wet fall. We are trying to put in tubing and plow in waterways. Looks like we might have a crop if we can talk it into floating into the bins. Glad to see that you have been having success with the old Deutz. Be careful,two guys like us can stimulate enough interest to make the deutz prices go high like the other green ones. Even if we are only bidding against ourselves. (I like collecting them cheap).
Best of luck - Gordon

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Bernhard

08-29-2003 05:27:12

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Re: Deutz F3L514 year needed in reply to dean, 08-28-2003 17:47:02

tractor should have been built from 1958 to 1964 has 50 hp maybe 52, if it is one of the last built models.CCIL? Don`t know. In Deutz Typologie C means Comfort Cab, L was a syncronised Tranny.

Bernhard

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Krouthead

08-31-2003 19:07:59

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Re: Re: Deutz F3L514 year needed in reply to Bernhard, 08-29-2003 05:27:12

These tractors with the 514 series engine were 1 through 4 cylinder,the 3L514 was rated @50 hp the larger 4l514 was rated @65hp.This engine 514 series;was also produced in a 6,8 and 12 cylinder versions,but these versions were never installed in tractors.
Anyway, as for the year of production,it started in 1951 and continued through 1962 the number on the frame will have slash and a 5 or a 7,(for example 7712/5)sometimes on motor tag# 4L514/5,this signifies built prior to 1957 and /7 signifies after 1957.
AS for the CCIL this has nothing to do with DEUTZ,this stands for Canadian Cooperative Implement Limited.The Canadian Coops bought these tractors from Deutz and sold them to farmers through the cooperatives as CCILs.The early ones have it written in paint on the hood "CCIL air cooled diesel".All 4 of mine have this on the hood.This trade arrangment started in the 50s with the 514 series tractors,hence 1951/52 and continued up through late 70s/80s,the later models were paited orange with CCIL decals,but this was the only difference between them and a standard Deutz.I have found no records anywhere that any earlier tractors were imported to Canada,but I have heard of some going to Brazil and South America.All Deutz tractors previous to the early 50s were liquid cooled.I have documentation and several photos and old magazine/sales brochures,if interested.I also have several 514 series tractors and lots of parts and engine components.If you know where there is a 514 and would like to sell it,I would be interested in the purchase.
Hope this info helped.
Alan Strain aka Krouthead

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Bernhard

09-02-2003 13:21:41

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Re: Re: Re: Deutz F3L514 year needed in reply to Krouthead, 08-31-2003 19:07:59

Hi Alan,

In germany the F4L 514 with 65 hp was not available. The Deutz range begins in watercooling with the MTH 222 in 1927,followed by the MTZ 120 in 1929,als there was a MTZ 220 and a MTZ 320 30/36hp.F2M315 was built in 1934. F1M414 was the 11hp. This was the start to motrize smaller Farmers in Germany. The watercooled range was from 11hp up to 50hp,known as F3M417. The last one was built in 1952- The F1M414 was replaced by the F1L514 around 1950.There some of the F L 514 range for sale overher. Take a look at www.tractorpool.de. Maybe there are some.

Bernhard

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Krouthead

09-02-2003 20:01:00

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Deutz F3L514 year needed in reply to Bernhard, 09-02-2003 13:21:41

Het Bernard,
What do you mean about the 65hp not being available in Gemany? I sent you a brochure showing the 4L514 being sold as a Model"PS 65"
I have an original and a reprinted engine manual from Deutz,that states this engine,4L514 ALL of these in tractors were rated at 66 horsepower.The exact same engine in a truck with only the RPMs increased was rated at 80 horsepower.You keep mentioning this D80, I can't find any literature where this was produced,did this have a 4L514 or was it supposed to have a 6L812? Thanks for the site info.

Krout

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Bernhard

09-02-2003 21:52:06

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Deutz F3L514 year needed in reply to Krouthead, 09-02-2003 20:01:00

The D 80 was built only in 1964 and had the F6L812. Was the first 6.cyl from Deutz. I found the F4L514 with 65hp in the book, so that You`re right, it must be available overhere. But I know only the 60hp Version of it. Somewhere I have an article about a Deca-Deutz from Argentina with around 110hp.Same Design like the D 80. Engine was a F6L514. They also built a Row-Crop Version of the F2L 514, narrow wheel. For Export, I believe.

Bernhard

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Krouthead

09-07-2003 18:30:47

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Deutz F3L514 year needed in reply to Bernhard, 09-02-2003 21:52:06

Bernard,
Thanks for the info I love learning new things about these wonderful tractors.If you can find anything about the 6cyl 514/614 please let me know.

Thanks Krout

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Wayne Huskey

09-03-2003 17:50:37

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Deutz F3L514 year needed in reply to Bernhard, 09-02-2003 21:52:06

Bernhard, you know your Deutzs. I have a technical question perhaps you can answer, or direct me to someone who can. I have a Deutz 3006, I believe 1972 model. I want to attach a John Deere 145 front end loader. I have just about finished the steel/structural changes on the loader and the tractor to make the two compatible and someone just told me the stock hydraulic system will not be enought to run the loader or if it does operate, it will be intolerably slow. It does not have "auxillary" hydraulic connections. It has a Bosch hydraulic pump. Has power steering and the real lift is fairly quick. What's your opinion? Should I plan on installing an additional pump running off the crank pulley dedicated to the front end loader? Should I cut into the existing hydraulics first and see what it will do? Thanks.

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Robert in W. Mi

09-03-2003 18:25:40

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Deutz F3L514 year need in reply to Wayne Huskey, 09-03-2003 17:50:37

I also have a 30-06, and i had a 62-06 with a loader. I the 62-06 with crank mounted pump, and then with the std. hydraulics. I liked it better with the std. hydraulics, and the 30-06 will be close enough that i'd try that first.

Guy down the road had a 30-06 with loader, and he wasn't useing a crank pully pump.

Let us know how it works out!!

Robert

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Krouthead

09-07-2003 18:27:24

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Deutz F3L514 year in reply to Robert in W. Mi, 09-03-2003 18:25:40

I had a 40-06 which has the same hyd system as you 30-06 except 3cyl engine instead of 2. I had a new loader installed at a local dealer,it worked miserably slow...UNUSABLE!! So checked flow and pressure on factory pump, it was as delivered from factory, if I remember correctly it was 4 or 5 gpm, there is a upgraded pump available that is 7 gpm, but if you check the flow on your upright cylinders this isn't enough.Curl will functiom properly but lift is pitiful.A auxillary pump is need ed on the smaller tractors. Dont get me wrong I LOVE deutz tractors,but this and the poorly spaced gear ratios are problems on the small tractors.
Hope this helped.
Krout

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Robert in W. Mi

09-08-2003 11:28:38

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Deutz F3L514 y in reply to Krouthead, 09-07-2003 18:27:24

I had a 40-06 too. It's the only Deutz i really didn't like.

Like i said in my other post, a guy down the road had a 30-06 with a loader and without an aux pump. He never complained a bit when i asked him how he liked it!! Maybe he just wasn't picky????

You right about some of the gear ratios, especially in reverse! But for what i use my 30-06 for, it's not so bad. In fact if you "never" drove anything newer than the 30-06, and had to live with the "old stuff" you'd think the 30-06 was a slice of heaven!!!!

Robert

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Wayne Huskey

11-13-2003 18:33:43

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Deutz F3L5 in reply to Robert in W. Mi, 09-08-2003 11:28:38

Well it does work. I might look into the upgraded pump as it is like you guys say, slow on the lift but the curl is OK. If I were using it industrially, I'd say it was unsuable, but for occasional handy work, I guess I can live with it. Couple things I did find out that might helpful to the next guy trying this; The JD 145 loader is really too big for the 3006 Deutz. I made it "fit" because I bought it at a real bargain and don't intend to keep it on the tractor year around. It's a heavy brute. If you're trying to figure out how to hook up hydraulic hoses to a 3006 that doesn't have quick connects already on it, Deutz makes a "power beyond" block with supply and return outlet that replaces a small cover block on the side of the transmission. I was lucky enought to find a former Deutz dealer who still had one in stock. Price is $170 for the block. Horrible high, but considering the options, maybe not so bad. Also, coupling the 145 JD to the Deutz has another problem. JD loader valves are "closed center" which puts a constant load on the pump. So I had to change the loader control valve to one with open centers. Another $190. Good thing I bought the old loader at a bargain--right? Thanks for the help guys!

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