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bradk

12-16-2007 07:52:47

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Too bad they didn't finish it.

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HeyPigFarmer

12-18-2007 12:55:50

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Re: Check out this conversion 1855 in reply to bradk, 12-16-2007 07:52:47

Actually I can fault him on one thing on this set up. It needs a set of big tube headers going into dual 4 inch chrome pipes, and a dual four barrel high rise intake with two pre-cleaners sticking out of the hood where the original pre-cleaner and muffler went. That would be pretty sweet. Of course, that would cost some major bucks. Maybe the next guy that has it can do that.

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HeyPigFarmer

12-18-2007 12:52:19

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Re: Check out this conversion 1855 in reply to bradk, 12-16-2007 07:52:47

First off I don't see what the big deal is. There are plenty of tractor shows I've been to that have farmall and oliver tractors with V8 repowers in them. It's pretty common, what makes this one different is that the guy used an 1855 instead of an M Farmall or Super 88. Contrary to what people believe you can not save every tractor out there. The 1855 had the Oliver-Waukesha 310 Turbo which was not known to be the best motor ever made. Who knows what happened to the original motor. There are plenty of tractors out there that get parted out because there is a rod through the side of the block. I do agree with trying to attach the long shaft to the transmission somehow to get the trans pump to work but that's the risk you take buying a repower like this, that is why they usually don't bring as much money as the factory set up because you don't know how it was done or how it will last.

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dweaver

12-18-2007 08:35:25

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Re: Check out this conversion 1855 in reply to bradk, 12-16-2007 07:52:47

I hate to get in the middle of an argument so I won"t comment on modifying a tractor. However, I was thinking that if you cut off the pto drive shaft at the input saft of the transmission. Then weld it or attach it in some way to the input shaft then you would still operate your lube pump. The only problem would be the pto would not operate as it was designed. If the tractor was done in this way it would match his description and still provide lube when the tractor was in motion. The pump would not run when the tractor was not in motion.

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Olvr Man

12-17-2007 17:51:03

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Re: Check out this conversion 1855 in reply to bradk, 12-16-2007 07:52:47

I would like to start off by saying that I am the PROUD owner of the 1855 Oliver for sale on Ebay. I usually read these discussion threads because some people have the same problem I do when working on older tractors and I find it very informational. However, I didn"t realize that this was on open forum to bash other peoples tractors. This tractor that belongs "in the junkyard" has always been a tractor of interest when taken to shows and parades. I have walked away with many awards with this tractor because of how unique it is. Do you feel that tractors that are used in various levels of tractor pulling should be "junked" since most of them can no longer be used on the farm, in the fields? This tractor has been used on the FARM to pull a high capacity wheel rake. How would you feel if you posted a tractor for sale and someone started ripping on your tractor?

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Tradititonal Farmer

12-18-2007 05:00:35

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Re: Check out this conversion 1855 in reply to Olvr Man, 12-17-2007 17:51:03

I wouldn't worry about it,its your tractor you can do what you want with it.More power to you as far as I'm concerned I think its a pretty neat set up.If anyone is really concerned they can put their $$$ where their mouth is buy the tractor and put it back to stock.Personally I enjoy any old tractor being saved from the crusher no matter how its done.

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Don-Wi

12-17-2007 23:55:36

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Re: Check out this conversion 1855 in reply to Olvr Man, 12-17-2007 17:51:03

The thing that makes us kinda upset in any way, is that the PTO can't function, the transmission lube pump don't run because there isn't the long shaft that runs to the back to drive the PTO, as well as the original hydraulic pump that can't be driven either.

I honestly feel sorry for whoever might buy it because of all the extra wear in the rear end because it will have gone so long without any oil being pumped around to the upper bearings and such. If it was just the engine made to fit behind the original over/under, it revved slow enough, and you still had the long drive shaft to run the pumps it wouldn't be so bad, but it doesn't have that so the additional abuse it has taken has basically made it into a large peice of scrap iron that will cost someone an even larger sum of money when the transmission fails on it. Not IF, but WHEN.

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Tractor Man

12-18-2007 11:54:49

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Re: Check out this conversion 1855 in reply to Don-Wi, 12-17-2007 23:55:36

Honestly, what difference does it make to you? Are you going to be the one to purchase the tractor? The tractor looks like a pretty neat set up. If you don't like the tractor, big deal. You don't know anything about this rare tractor besides what information is listed on Ebay and the picture. I would venture to say that the owner would have a better idea of what this tractor can and can't do, because he owns it..Besides do you think that the owner would sell a Lemon tractor on Ebay with 100% positive feedback??

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rrlund

12-16-2007 14:06:25

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Re: Check out this conversion 1855 in reply to bradk, 12-16-2007 07:52:47

Think I'd ought'ta try that with the 318 out of my 7300 combine?

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Kruse

12-16-2007 13:45:56

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Re: Check out this conversion 1855 in reply to bradk, 12-16-2007 07:52:47

Too bad they ever started it.

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B A Star

12-16-2007 12:32:19

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Re: Check out this conversion 1855 in reply to bradk, 12-16-2007 07:52:47

Fred: You are right on, on the transmission lube pump. The University of Nebraska Tractor test used 1855's for their load units on the test track. When they first used them they had students that ran them. When they got done with a test at the far end of the track they took it out of gear and shut the engine down. They got half way back the 1/2 mile track before the transmission locked up. A company rep repaired it and The University purchased a spare transmission and have not used it to this day.

It's probably a good thing that it does not have the shaft to drive the hydraulic pump as it would have probably exploded at 4500 RPM!

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Adam Suess

12-17-2007 09:17:13

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1855 test tractor in reply to B A Star, 12-16-2007 12:32:19

How does a load tractor work?

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Fred Whittaker

12-16-2007 09:36:23

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Re: Check out this conversion 1855 in reply to bradk, 12-16-2007 07:52:47

That one kinda made me shake my head too. The listing says that it has hydraulics and 3 pt., but not pto, due to the automatic being installed. So I am guessing the long shaft that runs the hydraulics, pto, and the transmission lube pump is not installed. Looks like they mounted a hydraulic pump to the front of the motor. I just wonder how long the transmission will hold up without the lube pump in operation.

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j meyer

12-16-2007 09:22:47

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Re: Check out this conversion 1855 in reply to bradk, 12-16-2007 07:52:47

I just shook my head at this one. Whats a guy to do with that? Its not geared to farm....and I would be embarrassed to be seen in a parade with it. I bet the former owner is just happy he sold it.

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Old Ford Mechanic

12-16-2007 10:50:22

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Re: Check out this conversion 1855 in reply to j meyer, 12-16-2007 09:22:47

What a shame they took a fine tractor and turned it into scrap iron.Repowers are fine but a least keep them ready to be used for farming.

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