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Oliver slab weights versus suitcase weights

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Merlin in Rushf

12-11-2007 08:00:00




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Hello! Light snow here in Rushford today. I was looking at my Dad's 1950-T this weekend and wondered: why did Oliver stay primarily with the 160# "slab" weights for so long? 90# "suitcase" weights are rare on '50 and '55 Series tractors, but became standard on the Field Boss tractors. Any input? Stay warm out there!
Merlin




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j meyer

12-12-2007 16:29:24




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 Re: Oliver slab weights versus suitcase weights in reply to Merlin in Rushford, 12-11-2007 08:00:00  
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here's a picture of one if no one has seen one:



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J Schwiebert

12-12-2007 03:54:53




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 Re: Oliver slab weights versus suitcase weights in reply to Merlin in Rushford, 12-11-2007 08:00:00  
We had some of those later on and they all had a Moline part number. Now the 160 pound weights were mainly for the FWA tractors when first introduced. Also the first 1850 we ever had came from the Farm Science Review and it had over a 1000 pounds on the front and was a 2 wheel drive and it would get light in tough plowing. So how many suitcase weights can you add? Larry up at Maumee had some small suitcase weights I think they fit one of the imports models. What about the 95 pound stack weights? How common are they?

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j meyer

12-12-2007 07:43:36




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 Re: Oliver slab weights versus suitcase weights in reply to J Schwiebert, 12-12-2007 03:54:53  
John- The Oliver suitcases pn's are 20-0007856. The bar will hold 8 suitcases, but if you had the bar with holes in the side, you could add "ears" onto them that mounted an additional bracket to hold 3 more on each side. Now, whos got one of those!?! I was told by a guy once that he's only seen two tractors with those "ears" on them, and one was a MM G1355. I think I saw a picture of that in a parts book once...but I cannot remember now. As for the stackers, I only had one for the longest time, and then one day I stumbed into two more(sold them the same day). Bad part about them is that they block your radiator so bad, but some guys love them. They are alot easier to handle than the slabs, but I'd take the suitcases anyday.

One more thought on these weights. The Moline guys call these "Oliver" weights blanks, because of course the MM is missing, so typically they dont want them. I believe this was nothing more than White marketing a "generic" weight to both companies in the early 70's. I've found that if you find MM weights, find yourself a hardcore MM collector, because more than likely, he's got a few "blanks" he's more than happy to get rid of...and this is exactly what the Oliver guys want. But these suitcases are harder to find it seems...no matter what version your looking for.

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J. Schwiebert

12-12-2007 16:12:53




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 Re: Oliver slab weights versus suitcase weights in reply to j meyer, 12-12-2007 07:43:36  
Thaqt 20-0007856 is a Moline number. Now refresh my memory, did they not have an extension that would bolt to an Oliver frame? I think we sold 1!. Of course tractor pulling was not the big thing then. J.



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j meyer

12-12-2007 16:27:36




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 Re: Oliver slab weights versus suitcase weights in reply to J. Schwiebert, 12-12-2007 16:12:53  
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What makes the "20-" a Moline number? I thought they went by the A system--10A,11A, etc. As for those extensions, I've only seen that ops manual picture of it attached to the weight bracket.....you gotta tell me if you remember it different!

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J Schwiebert

12-12-2007 17:19:29




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 Re: Oliver slab weights versus suitcase weights in reply to j meyer, 12-12-2007 16:27:36  
That picture is what I mean by the entension. When things went corporate part number 20 number were Moline numbers, 30 numbers were Oliver 31 were Branfort and 40 number were Hercules engine number. My one boy works for Dana and somebody at Volvo truck called and wanter an older (obsolete?) part. His answer was that that must be for a White truck. Her reply was how did you know that. His reply was "My dad worked for an Oliver dealer and they used the same part number system. Don't know what the truck prefix was, Oh yea some industrial stuff like a 552 fork lift will have a 25 prefix for later parts if I remember correctly. J.

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1755

12-11-2007 18:42:41




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 Re: Oliver slab weights versus suitcase weights in reply to Merlin in Rushford, 12-11-2007 08:00:00  
where the slab whaights cheeper than the suitcase weights if so that would have alot to do with it just thinking



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rrlund

12-11-2007 14:58:15




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 Re: Oliver slab weights versus suitcase weights in reply to Merlin in Rushford, 12-11-2007 08:00:00  
I'm guessing just a continuation of Oliver standardized parts.



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j meyer

12-11-2007 13:28:53




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 Re: Oliver slab weights versus suitcase weights in reply to Merlin in Rushford, 12-11-2007 08:00:00  
Thats a very good question there, and its beyond me. Those suitcases are very handy to throw around too. I've been lucky to have gotten the ones I got, and the market on them continues to climb. Once in a great while you will find a tractor with a bar on it, but rarely do you see any weights actually on it.



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newte haven

12-12-2007 18:58:50




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 Re: Oliver slab weights versus suitcase weights in reply to j meyer, 12-11-2007 13:28:53  
could you tell me what to pay for suit case weights for my 110? The guy that owns them wants half the price of new of course I'm not sure what new price is. I'd like to give a fair price but don't know where to start. Thanks!



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j meyer

12-12-2007 21:06:19




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 Re: Oliver slab weights versus suitcase weights in reply to newte haven, 12-12-2007 18:58:50  
I once thought 50 a weight was enough, but if you get the clip with the weight, 60 would be fair. A local White/Oliver salvage yard charged me that, and considering a clip from Agco new is 15 bucks, I'd say 60 is just fine with me!



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AB

12-11-2007 15:31:02




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 Re: Oliver slab weights versus suitcase weights in reply to j meyer, 12-11-2007 13:28:53  
I thought I knew a thing or two about Olivers but I never saw suitcase weights used on Olivers until I started seeing J meyer post about it. They were all slab weights around here. Learn something new all the time.



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Digger 87

12-11-2007 13:02:58




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 Re: Oliver slab weights versus suitcase weights in reply to Merlin in Rushford, 12-11-2007 08:00:00  
my guess is to many trips to the doctor for back pains Are you in rushford mn. if you are please email me I have other questions



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bradk

12-11-2007 13:40:38




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 Re: Oliver slab weights versus suitcase weights in reply to Digger 87, 12-11-2007 13:02:58  
I was wondering the same thing.Rushford MN? I bought a pair of Olivers from a fella over there.



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