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Starter stuck (1958 Gas 550) + carb drips

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Chris Vyver

12-07-2007 16:55:50




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My battery is new and strong, but now and again in regular weather the starter just clicks but does not turnover. But I try the key again and off she goes.

But now it is sub-freezing (Canada) it will not move. Any ideas, tips and tricks on this?
Rock it back and forth (easier said than done)!
Hair dryer ;-)

Second, the carb drips constantly, so I have to switch fuel line off at the sed bowl. Will a simple rebuild solve this?
Thanks, Chris

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MCL

12-09-2007 09:49:05




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 Re: Starter stuck (1958 Gas 550) + carb drips in reply to Chris Vyver, 12-07-2007 16:55:50  
If you short across from the solenoid to the starter make darn sure the tractor is out of gear. More than one person has been run over by their own tractor doing this.



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SW3

12-08-2007 18:25:20




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 Re: Starter stuck (1958 Gas 550) + carb drips in reply to Chris Vyver, 12-07-2007 16:55:50  
Chris, my carb leaked all the time just like you describe. I went to local AGCO dealer and pickup up a new needle and seat (cheap). The one in the carb was fairly new, so the dealer suggested I try the needle with the rubber tip. This has totally cured my problem. Good Luck.



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C35

12-08-2007 16:36:33




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 Re: Starter stuck (1958 Gas 550) + carb drips in reply to Chris Vyver, 12-07-2007 16:55:50  
Mine just had the old grease dried out on the starter gear shaft I used a bit of penetrating oil and freed it up then a bit of new grease and its like new .. The cold weather had the old grease like tar



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John T

12-08-2007 06:59:46




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 Re: Starter stuck (1958 Gas 550) + carb drips in reply to Chris Vyver, 12-07-2007 16:55:50  
Chris, As she gest colder it takes more amps to crank the starter plus the battery is less efficient so these problems show up worse as you already discovered. Im pretty much in the same camp as Old on this. The very FIRST thing I would do is remove, clean n wire brush, n reattach each n every battery n starter n solenoid n ground connection. Its sooooo oo often a bad cable or conenction or ground like old was sayin. Problem is a cable can look good externally but underneath be burned n carboned n corroded and stilllll lll be the problem. Sure the battery is good n its charged?? Have a shop load test it if in doubt or try a substitute known good battery

Turn the lights on when you try n start her and if they dim wayyyyy yy down badly (cuz battery voltage drops drastically) it sounds like a starter problem such as worn bushings causing a dragging armature or a burned armature. However, if the lights barely change brightness then Id suspect a bad cable or bad connection or a bad starter solenoid BUTTTTT TTTT it can still be another starter problem like worn brushes or a brush hold down spring assembly or commutator problem.

Try easy simple cheap fixes first like the connections mentioned above and insure a good battery and then move up to suspecting the solenoid (burned carboned resistive contacts can cause the problem) and then finaly move up to the starter may be bad.

John T

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Chris Vyver

12-08-2007 07:08:34




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 Re: Starter stuck (1958 Gas 550) + carb drips in reply to John T, 12-08-2007 06:59:46  
Thanks you for all your thoughts.

All connections are great, as I have fitted all new harnesses.
Will check solenoid next.

How do you check the solenoid?

Then take starter apart.
Sadly I have no lights wired up yet, but the dash oil and charge lights dim when I turn the switch.

Again thank you all...will start on this soon...
Enjoy the Holiday Season!



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old

12-08-2007 07:37:36




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 Re: Starter stuck (1958 Gas 550) + carb drips in reply to Chris Vyver, 12-08-2007 07:08:34  
One quick easy way to check the soliniod is to take a heavy wire like an old battery cable and short across the battery cable terminal and the start stud. If it turns over just fine then you have a bad/weak soliniod, if it doesn't then the starter if every thing else is as good as you say it is

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John T

12-08-2007 08:40:05




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 Re: Starter stuck (1958 Gas 550) + carb drips in reply to old, 12-08-2007 07:37:36  
JUST A LIL ADDED SAFETY

When you short by pass jump around the solenoid with a jumper cable of another battery cable you can either go from the solenoids input over to its output/starter side,,,,, ,,,or from solenoids input side direct to a starter post/stud (if ones available) or else from the hot ungrounded battery post direct down to the starters stud/post

BUT USE CAUTION and dont get against frame ground and thats gonna be a high current n arcing connection ya know with arcin n sparkin till you get a good bite. You dont want any gas or gas fumes lingering near by (try n make final connection away from battery top or gas) cuz it can realy make fire fly when you do that jump solenoid by pass test

Before the solenoid can even pull in /latch to work regardless if its contactors are bad or good, it has to click which is caused by the start switch applying hot battery voltage to one of its lil S engage terminals, so see if its even trying to work BEFORE that sparking by pass test. On most of them you can test by using a lil jumper wire to jump hot input battery voltage from the battery there on the solenoids big input stud over to its lil S input terminal which effectively does what should happen if you try n start it with key or switch etc. If she cranks then but NOT by using the key/button then the solenoid isnt the problem. MAKE SURE THE SOLENOID IS AT LEAST tryign to work first

John T

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old

12-07-2007 21:04:36




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 Re: Starter stuck (1958 Gas 550) + carb drips in reply to Chris Vyver, 12-07-2007 16:55:50  
That could be a few thing and or all of these. Bad cables, bad connections at the cables, bad connection where the starter bolts on, soliiod going bad or starter going bad. As far as the carb yes a carb kit might help but it also might not. Its the nature of old tractors to leak gas for some reason and you should ALWAYS turn off the gas or you can end up with an oil pan full of gas and a blown engine because of that

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Fern(Mi)

12-07-2007 17:16:03




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 Re: Starter stuck (1958 Gas 550) + carb drips in reply to Chris Vyver, 12-07-2007 16:55:50  
Chris:
My knowing nothing about 550"s most engines before, during and after that era are relatively related. As for your starter, could be it"s armature is dragging, may need new bushings, commentator cleaned, and bearing lightly greased. How"s starter solenoid if so equipped? may need rebuilding or replacement.
You mentioned �starter stuck.� in this case the engine may need a new flywheel ring gear.
Carburetor problem sounds like it may need new needle valve and seat. Could also be all it needs is float adjustment. If float is gas logged it�ll need float replacement. Fernan

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