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Richard

01-24-2000 04:00:09




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I posted a message in December stating I was about to buy a 65' model 1650 for $2500. I finally got over there to look at the tractor this weekend and bought it.

I had thought the man said it was a gas engine however its packing a VRD6 cylinder and It looks like a VRD330. Geez, talking factory bells and whistles, this thing is loaded! Sorry, getting carried away :)

Horsepower,if the 265 Gas engine was rated for 68Hp what is the diesel rated at?

Has anyone had problems with the HydraShift? The ONLY things I found wrong was it uses about 1/3 Qrt a week with heavy usage, but found the front seal of the hydrashift is starting to seep. I was told the seal kit was rather expensive?

The other was it requires a shot of starting fluid if down for overnight. Noticed the Manifold Heater did not draw any current when pushing the preheat button. Does this manifold heater make a difference in warm climates (South Texas)?

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Richard

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Wrenchbender

01-26-2000 09:11:01




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 Re: Oliver 1650 Information in reply to Richard, 01-24-2000 04:00:09  
The 1650 diesel had a 283 cid. engine,this engine had an indirect injection fuel system which did not start well when cold. The injectors may need to be checked to see if they are atomizing the fuel and not just shooting out a stream of fuel. The solenoid on the preheater is probably bad,fixing it could help with cold starting. Don't use the preheater and ether at the same time. The 1650 is a good tractor and it sounds like you got it bought right. Good Luck!

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Richard

01-27-2000 04:44:52




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 Re: Re: Oliver 1650 Information in reply to Wrenchbender, 01-26-2000 09:11:01  
I haven't had a chance to look at it yet. I have to find a trialer large enough to get it over here.

I have a feeling the most likely cause will be as you say, a combination of heater/solenoid and worn injectors. Tractor has 8200 hours on it and they are solid working hours.

When I check it out I will have the pump and injectors tested, I have seen soo many times in the past where injector dribble has torn a cylinder up, and know one ever knew it was happening until they got that loud piston knock.

Thanks for the advice,
Richard

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Adam

01-24-2000 21:00:04




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 Re: Oliver 1650 Information in reply to Richard, 01-24-2000 04:00:09  
The manifold heater does make alot of difference. But they are expencive. $150 for a 1950-T but maybe a 1650 is cheaper. Check the sylinoid first. Either is a very bad thing if not used with caution, And I have some slightly bent rods to prove it! I have seen more. It seems to me that when you use either on a tractor it starts harder and harder all the time, eventualy to the point that the tractor always needs it to start. The explosive force of the either unseats the rings or somthing so I've been told. I have to use the preheater on my 77 and 770 diesels to start them under 60 too. Only 10 seconds or so does it, saves on the starter. I suspect that if you only use slight amounts you will not do any harm. Here in MN when it's 10 F out and people decide to start their tractor with either and give it a healthy dose to be sure it starts is when I think the damage is done.

I once saw a 4440 deere with the head gasket blowen, the guys Son used half a can on it.

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highboyford

01-24-2000 18:20:21




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 Re: Oliver 1650 Information in reply to Richard, 01-24-2000 04:00:09  
Both the gas and diesel were certified at 66 hp by oliver.I have only worked on the over/under for a 2050 didnt think it was too bad of money but that was 7 years ago maybe the seals have gone up.Oh it only needed seal work too but while I was there I replaced a bunch of clutch paks too.How cold does it get a night?If around 30 and less I could see a shot of starter fluid.



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Richard

01-24-2000 18:39:43




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 Re: Re: Oliver 1650 Information in reply to highboyford, 01-24-2000 18:20:21  
It doesn't get very cold 60 - 70 at night. Even in the summer time the guy said is the same way.
I know the heater doesn't work, but it may also have low compression, but it runs excellent.
The previous owner was told the injector pump may need some work, however if a squirt of starting fluid got it started he wouldn't worry about it too much until the pump actually needed to get rebuilt.

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Von WC Ohio

01-25-2000 09:47:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Oliver 1650 Information in reply to Richard, 01-24-2000 18:39:43  
Richard,

Would you care to share the year and serial number of your 1655 as well as where you are? I've been searching for a 1655 that was in the family so I always ask this to everyone that has one in hopes of locating it again someday.

I would greatly appreciate any information. You can email me if you would rather !

Thanks in advance !



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highboyford

01-24-2000 19:03:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Oliver 1650 Information in reply to Richard, 01-24-2000 18:39:43  
Well I have a 1655 with 7200 hours and when it is that warm here (60 to 70 at night)she does not need a shot.Something is not right but if you say it runs fine than I wouldnt worry about it a little shot is pretty cheap.



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