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Questions regarding fuel tank fenders

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Don-Wi

08-21-2007 12:27:41




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I finally got some motivation and mounted one of the feul tank fenders today, and I plan on doing the other one maybe tomorrow.

I was wondering what I should use to route those 2 tanks to the other, and how they're plumbed in? The one I mounted today doesn't have any kind of valve on it so I figure I'll just buy a small ball valve to put on there. I was thinking of useing rubber fuel line hose and it would be better than a hard line because it'll have lots of flex to minimize stress cracks.

The other questions is for the lights: Where is the ground wire attatched behind the cover?

I will be adding a second set of lights to the fenders as opposed to the 1 pair on the fenders now. I will be adding a separate circut for them, because I already have 2 extra bulbs runnig off the factory set-up off the back.

I plan to take those 2 off that switch and run the 4 extra lights on a second switch and fuse. I need to completely re-wire the fenders and put in the lights from the original fenders on them. I picked up a second pair of original lights from the dealer too.

I'll be sure to post some pictures after I get it all together for you guys to see!! One thing for sure is that it's really gonna be a 1 of a kind. It's already got the rops/canopy from a White 2-85, now it's gonna have the fuel tank fenders on there too. Lots of nice litle extra's I've thrown on it over the past 4 years we've had it....

Donovan from Wisconsin

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dweaver

08-22-2007 12:45:28




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 Re: Questions regarding fuel tank fenders in reply to Don-Wi, 08-21-2007 12:27:41  
I have a 1950 with the original fuel tank fenders. I wasn't sure if my plumbing was original so I looked in the parts book. It confirmed that it was original. The one tank has a rubber line coming off and then it goes into a steel line clamped to the back of the tractor. It then goes over and T's into the other line from the other tank. The line then goes up under the tank in the hood where it ties into the selector valve. To use out of the rear tanks you change the valve. The only thing I can't remember is how the return fuel is handled, I'll have to look that up when I get home. If you would do it differently and just hook your fenders to the main tank then you wouldn't empty out the bottoms of the fender tanks and you would have the other vent problems that were mentioned. I'm sure there are other ways that it may have been done from the factory on different models. My 1950 has the Detroit so it may even vary from what you have.

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Don-Wi

08-23-2007 01:06:48




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 Re: Questions regarding fuel tank fenders in reply to dweaver, 08-22-2007 12:45:28  
I wouldn't think you'd have to do anything special with the return- it'll go to the main tank but once it's full it'll just flow outta that tank and back to the injection pump. I am curious how the main tank will drain out though once the other 2 are empty- unless they have some sort set up which pulls air in through the fenders, then lets the air go to the main tank w/out getting air in the lines to the engine...

Donovan from Wisconsin

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Vern Karman

08-22-2007 11:38:22




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 Re: Questions regarding fuel tank fenders in reply to Don-Wi, 08-21-2007 12:27:41  
I'm not sure exactly where you are in Wisconsin but if you wanted to pay me a visit in Poynette you could check out my 1950-T with ROPS and fender tanks. I believe my plumbing is original.



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Don-Wi

08-22-2007 12:04:54




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 Re: Questions regarding fuel tank fenders in reply to Vern Karman, 08-22-2007 11:38:22  
I'm up in Kaukauna- a little bit of a drive from where you're at. Otherwise I would love to come and look at it.

Donovan from Wisconsin



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Vernon Karman

08-22-2007 14:10:47




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 Re: Questions regarding fuel tank fenders in reply to Don-Wi, 08-22-2007 12:04:54  
Give me your email addrss and I can try to send you some digital photos.



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Don-Wi

08-23-2007 01:03:28




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 Re: Questions regarding fuel tank fenders in reply to Vernon Karman, 08-22-2007 14:10:47  
I sent ya an email through the site.-let me know if you get it.

Donovan from Wisconsin



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Vern Karman

08-24-2007 18:33:52




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 Re: Questions regarding fuel tank fenders in reply to Don-Wi, 08-23-2007 01:03:28  
Got your email. Just posted a photo of my T in the photo gallery. Will be sending you some close-ups of the plumbing directly to your email.



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Don-Wi

08-22-2007 01:16:54




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 Re: Questions regarding fuel tank fenders in reply to Don-Wi, 08-21-2007 12:27:41  
I did some digging in the manuals I have, and the very breifly have some information in them. looks like I do have the right caps, 2 vented and I think the other is non vented. From what I can tell, the factory set-up had a selector valve coming from the main tank, where you could either shutoff the fender tanks or use them.

From the pictures of the back of the tractor in the manuals, the lines are actually supposed to come from the back of the tanks, but right now they are on the front. I'm sure the tire sizes make a difference with that, because if it has larger or smaller tires, the fenders may lean one way or the other. I may have to mess around with them, and see if they look better the other way around. Thank God I only have 1 on so far- those things are heavy!!

I also want to see if they look better with or w/out the risers underneath them. I have the one on w/ the riser, but it sits much higher than the other fender now and it's already higher because of the rops frame under them.

With any luck I may be able to get it together and fully functional in 2 weeks for corn. Not that we need that much fuel capacity in 1 day, but it would be neat to have. We'll easily run 100 gallons through it yet this year chopping corn and chiseling the stubble under.

Donovan from Wisconsin

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ADB-IA

08-22-2007 07:13:38




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 Re: Questions regarding fuel tank fenders in reply to Don-Wi, 08-22-2007 01:16:54  
The top of the fenders need to be the same hight as the hood or you will have overflow problems when the tanks are full.
Back in the 60's our 1950 would run about 23 hours on the 112 gallons that it would hold, and it took about an hour to fill from the gravity flow fuel barrel. It put in quite a few such 24 hour days. ADB-IA



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IanC

08-21-2007 19:58:36




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 Re: Questions regarding fuel tank fenders in reply to Don-Wi, 08-21-2007 12:27:41  
Inside the rubber reducing elbows on the bottom of the tank were little check valves, They were available as seperate pieces. What we found with the fender tanks on our 2-150 was that the least little vacuum leak and the fuel wouldn"t flow to the main tank. We ended up plumbing in an electric pump and running it whenever the main tank showed 1/4.



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OlMax

08-21-2007 17:54:29




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 Re: Questions regarding fuel tank fenders in reply to Don-Wi, 08-21-2007 12:27:41  
The fuel tank fenders I had on a 1855D were plumbed together to a Tee fitting , the 3rd outlet of the Tee was connected to the return line of the main tank. The fuel cap on the main tank was non-vented, the caps on the fender tanks were vented, thus as the engine used fuel it was drawn by gravity from the fender tanks into the main tank, they were always equally full and they went dry before the main tank. Mine had no valves as they were not necessary. The problem is locating a non-vented cap to fit the main tank. It was part of the kit when I bought mine. With this set-up all of fuel travels through the main tank. I can't remember if the 1855 had a condensation sump on the bottom of the main tank, I know my 77D has one and I think they are necessary in a diesel fuel system. Sorry for the long message.

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Don-Wi

08-22-2007 00:09:13




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 Re: Questions regarding fuel tank fenders in reply to OlMax, 08-21-2007 17:54:29  
So the setup you had, they came together to a T, then they were plumbed into the return line at the top of the tank? I suppose my best way to go about this is to go to my trusty dealer and start asking questions and try to get a parts breakdown, and see what's all missing.

One tank has a shut-off valve on the bottom where the line comes out of the tank, and the other doesn't have anything there. I would like to be able to shut off the tank if I needed to at the fender.

I was told that both caps that came on the fenders were non-vented, but I'm not so sure of that. The one I put on today, has a cap that looks exactly like the one on the main tank right now. I'll have to see if they have any of those in stock as well...

Donovan from Wisconsin

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1755

08-28-2007 19:44:00




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 Re: Questions regarding fuel tank fenders in reply to Don-Wi, 08-22-2007 00:09:13  
I got a set of those fender tanks with our 1755 and I remember the giy talking about the non vented cap and there was one on the fender tanks that was labeled non vented or something like that I dont remember if it was a Decal or if it was rased leters on there but he said something about if your main tank dous not have a smooth serfase where the cap goes on it it will not work right he had to take them off to get down 30 in rows and to get the loader in and out of places

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1755

08-28-2007 19:43:23




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 Re: Questions regarding fuel tank fenders in reply to Don-Wi, 08-22-2007 00:09:13  
I got a set of those fender tanks with our 1755 and I remember the giy talking about the non vented cap and there was one on the fender tanks that was labeled non vented or something like that I dont remember if it was a Decal or if it was rased leters on there but he said something about if your main tank dous not have a smooth serfase where the cap goes on it it will not work right he had to take them off to get down 30 in rows and to get the loader in and out of places

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08-28-2007 19:41:50




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 Re: Questions regarding fuel tank fenders in reply to Don-Wi, 08-22-2007 00:09:13  
I got a set of those fender tanks with our 1755 and I remember the giy talking about the non vented cap and there was one on the fender tanks that was labeled non vented or something like that I dont remember if it was a Decal or if it was rased leters on there but he said something about if your main tank dous not have a smooth serfase where the cap goes on it it will not work right he had to take them off to get down 30 in rows and to get the loader in and out of places

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ADB-IA

08-22-2007 06:57:24




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 Re: Questions regarding fuel tank fenders in reply to Don-Wi, 08-22-2007 00:09:13  
The cap on the main tank has to be non-vented so it creates a vacuum to draw fuel from the fenders and the fenders have vented caps. If you close the valves on the fender tanks, you need to move the non-vented cap to one of the fenders and the vented cap goes on the main tank so it doesn"t create a vacuum and starve the engine. Make sense? One point to remember - when the tanks are full if you park on a slope (or if the tops of all three fuel tanks aren"t the same hight) fuel will run to the lower tank and it will overflow. ADB-IA

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