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Phil - MO

06-26-2007 07:30:45




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I finished raking and rolled 47 large hay bales yesterday with the 550. I was cleaning up the edges of the field with the brush hog when the tractor died. I was so tired and hot I left the tractor in the field.
I searched this site but couldn't find a basic electrical troubleshooting guide.
I know this is a basic question but is there a quick troubleshoting electrical guide or schematic I can print out for tracing voltage from the battery. I'm suspecting a broken wire. I have a meter.

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Phil - MO

06-27-2007 05:31:47




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 Re: 550 Died in reply to Phil - MO, 06-26-2007 07:30:45  
Thanks again for the help.
I may have jumped the gun a little but I'm sure my problem will be electrical. I did see that I had gas to the carburetor and I was going full speed when it quit like I turned the key off.

I forgot that the points had to be open to check for voltage -- that was the type of information I was wanting. I retired from the Department of Defense working on one of a kind electronic equipment in a top secret environment and have had extensive electronic training and troubleshooting to component level, but at 67 years I start to forget some things.
I'm retiring to the farm (240 acres), building a new house and trying to raise cattle and hay to pay the taxes. I'm beginning to wonder if I should keep fighting 35+ year old equipment. It's not as much fun to keep going as it used to be when its 95 degrees outside.

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Phil - MO

06-26-2007 17:55:25




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 Re: 550 Died in reply to Phil - MO, 06-26-2007 07:30:45  
Thanks for the advice. I was wanting the information where the 12 volt voltage goes from the switch to ?. I'm suspecting a broken wire since the wires are getting old and brittle, although I didn't check anything out as it was late and I was tired and I didn't have my voltage meter with me. I'll check voltage at the coil. Does it also go to the distributor from the switch?
Since the farm is over 100 miles away and I was tired I just came home for a couple of days before fixing. In fact I'm going to tune up everything when I get back although it was starting and running fine. I bought points, condensor, rotor, dist. cap, etc.

I've installed auxiliary hydraulics for lifting the back to dump the bail. I used a log splitter control and close the back with the auto shutoff side of the control. I pull the lever and the control shuts itself off when the back is down.
The baler is a Hesston and I believe it is a 5540 or 5440 (the number is on the side, but its 100 miles away.)
The tractor is a little light, but I start out in 3rd gear and drop to 2nd when the bale is about half done (maybe even 1st if on a hill). I make pretty good size bales. I do have to stop about every 6 or 8 bales and clean out the short hay that gets between the belts and drags down the belts working the tractor a little too hard. Can't figure out how to stop this.
I also have better luck with the tying with twine instead of plastic. Plastic would last longer with the bales stored in the field.
I can do about 12 bales an hour if nothing breaks down.

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RAB

06-26-2007 23:23:00




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 Re: 550 Died in reply to Phil - MO, 06-26-2007 17:55:25  
Yes, but through the coil first. So there should be when the points are open, and not when they are closed (to earth). Voltage doesn't really go anywhere. It is either there or not.
RAB



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El Toro

06-26-2007 12:58:53




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 Re: 550 Died in reply to Phil - MO, 06-26-2007 07:30:45  
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Are you sure you didn't run out of gas? If you didn't you need to check for voltage at the coil and here are some troubleshooting tips. Hal



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icesweeper

06-26-2007 11:53:02




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 Re: 550 Died in reply to Phil - MO, 06-26-2007 07:30:45  
How big of baler did you have on it? Just curious.

A strange thing happened to me last week. My oldest girl was practice driving the 550, and said it's hard to steer. I walked over to check on it, yep it was, plus the gen light was on. Checked the generator/power steering pump, pulley wasn't turning. Tightened it up, could not start the engine then. Loosened the belt, started fine. After disassemble, the rotor for the pump had one vane wear it's groove sloppy, the vane fell out and jammed between the rotor and housing. Tight as heck. Removed the one vane, reassembled, seems to be working okay. Will fix after I get hay done or this winter.

YOu don't give much information other than "died". Does it turn over, fast slowly??? Is there a hint of sparking? Does it smell like gas??

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RossIL

06-26-2007 09:45:21




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 Re: 550 Died in reply to Phil - MO, 06-26-2007 07:30:45  
Wow, what size round baler were you pulling? I know the 550 is a little more than my 55 but I didn't think it would horse a round baler let alone having enough hydraulics. Maybe you just tired it out with that workout. Hope you figure it out and it's an easy fix. I'd sure start wit the coil. Ross



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RAB

06-26-2007 09:26:47




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 Re: 550 Died in reply to Phil - MO, 06-26-2007 07:30:45  
May it RIP.

Who says it is electrical? Could be out of fuel?

Have you checked for spark?

IF it is electrical hot wire the coil from the battery and check for spark. Have spark - fault is in the run from the battery to the coil. No spark - it is the ignition system. We are assuming the battery is not discharged? If it is you may need a battery charger and and maybe some generator or VCR work. Asssuming it is the ignition system that has gone down (if electrical) and not the starter circuit. Just can't tell from your post!

Perhaps the tractor was just tired as well?

Could even be a battery terminal? Or the central HT wire fell out the distributor cap. Lots of simple possibilities without any schematics needed. Just needs narrowing down a tad.

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old

06-26-2007 09:21:16




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 Re: 550 Died in reply to Phil - MO, 06-26-2007 07:30:45  
Gas or diesel. I'm guessing gas since most diesel will not die form problems with the electicals. I would start at the coil and make sure you have voltage there when the key is on and the points are open. I know at times I have the same problem with my 77 and most of the time its because the rotor has gone bad. I never have figured out why the rotor goes bad but it does. You could also hot wire it and see if it runs if so then you know the problem is from the coil back. If it doesn't run then you know the problem is from the coil forward.

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