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Oliver 1800 carb question

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GregC

06-18-2007 09:04:02




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I'm looking at a 1960 Oliver 1800, not sure if it's a series A, B, or C. Salesman says that the carb was rebuilt but it still ran poorly, turned out that a bad fuel pump diaphragm was in the rebuild kit. Do these carbs have an internal diaphragm type fuel pump? I've never encountered that before, except in weedeaters and chainsaws, but my experience lies with Farmall letter series, Ford N series and some older JD tractors. I didn't say anything at the dealership because I was unsure, but parts of my conversation with the salesman about another tractor leave me with doubts of his honesty. (He said the other tractor was great, when I know the owner and the history of the tractor... it was traded for a reason, and they didn't get much for it.) I plan on asking to see the paperwork on the repairs, but I want to have some knowledge of how the tractor's fuel system works before I do.
Thanks, Greg

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GregC

06-19-2007 15:00:18




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 Re: Oliver 1800 carb question in reply to GregC, 06-18-2007 09:04:02  
Thanks guys, I'll have to go back and take a closer look. I'm pretty sure it had an aluminum carb, which would make it the USX. I'll check it all out and let you know what happens.



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TomB

06-19-2007 12:03:03




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 Re: Oliver 1800 carb question in reply to GregC, 06-18-2007 09:04:02  
Listen to BOB. I have a 64 1800 gas, which I believe is a B series. It has the USX carb and exactly as Bob described, there's a little diaphragm 'accelerator' pump inside the float bowl. Mine is shot and makes the tractor run rich even with the needles closed tight. Also, the tractor will most often refuse to 'take the gas' when you try to advance the throttle. That's because this little diaphragm is vented on one side to manifold vaccuum. When the governor opens the throttle, you lose vaccum, and the little pump is supposed to give a squirt of gas to over come the hesitation. With the bad diaphragm, it draws raw gas up the vaccuum passage and runs rich, but does not respond when you need it. You just lose vaccuum, which with an updraft carb means a sudden lean condition and the tractor stumbles or stalls. I found a replacement (but have not had time to install yet) thru a guy on ebay that calls himself "Trio-diode". Search for Oliver parts or look for that name, then give him a call.

I think the problem here is confusion from calling it a 'fuel pump'. I can't speak to the 1960 models, but my 64 absolutely has a mechanical fuel pump on the side of the block to push fuel to the carb. It too is problematic, and I have yet to find a replacement diaphragm. Personally, I'd like to ditch the pump and go to a gravity feed, but a very knowledgable Oliver guy has warned me not to. So, any help locating fuel pump rebuild kit would be appreciated.

Finally, consider the possibility that the tractor you are looking at is actually newer than 1960 or has had a newer carb put on it.

Good luck!

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J Schwiebert

06-19-2007 12:54:20




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 Re: Oliver 1800 carb question in reply to TomB, 06-19-2007 12:03:03  
Tom: That was a good answer. I am sure that you are awear later on they eliminated the mechanical fuel pump and used an electric pump. Like I started to mention and you also refered to. If the 1800 is indeed a 1960 model and has not had the later intake manifold installed it will have a cast iron TSX carburetor, and no fuel pump but it also could have been added. I think he should give us more information.

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Bob M

06-19-2007 06:58:44




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 Re: Oliver 1800 carb question in reply to GregC, 06-18-2007 09:04:02  
That tractor SHOULD have a Marvel cast iron (TSX series) carb. And it will have no internal fuel pump, diaphragm, etc. However if has a later Marvel USX series (aluminum) carb, it WILL have an accelerator pump diaphragm under the sloped bowl cover. And if the diaphragm gets stiff or develops a leak the engine will indeed stumble on acceleration and run poorly.

Incidentally the diaphragm is not difficult to replace - it can be done without removing the carb. However finding a replacement diaphragm can be problematic - it's never included in any "rebuild kit" I've ever seen. Rather it must be ordered from AGCO or Deere dealer (the USX was used on the 3020 and 4020 gas tractors as well as the Olivers...)

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J Schwiebert

06-18-2007 16:39:19




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 Re: Oliver 1800 carb question in reply to GregC, 06-18-2007 09:04:02  
If it is a 1960 1800 it is an A series. They used a cast iron Marvel carburetor. When the tractor was new there was no fuel pump.



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Adam Schuh, WI

06-18-2007 12:32:21




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 Re: Oliver 1800 carb question in reply to GregC, 06-18-2007 09:04:02  
There is no fuel pump in that carb. The fuel flows by gravity to the carb. Sounds like a very dishonest or stupid salesman.



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