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Speaking of Re-powers??

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Shep Va

05-04-2007 10:34:49




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Anyone ever given any thought to repowering an M-5 Moline with a 4B cummins engine.

I have a gas 336ci 4cy M-5 Moline that the engine has given up in. I am not a big fan of the diesel 336ci moline engine and do not want to go back gas.....

I was sitting in the shop the other night pondering the possibility of putting a Cummins in that tractor. Anyone ever tried repowering a tractor that has a structural style engine?? I was thinking I could build rails for the sides that went from the bellhousing to the front end to hold it togeather and would have to build a flex plate for the engine like the 310ci Waukeshas have, but I am not sure how I would handle the clutch and the PTO hub.

Any thoughts?? Looks like a cool winter project.

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Wondering....if

05-05-2007 23:49:48




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 Re: Speaking of Re-powers?? in reply to Shep Va, 05-04-2007 10:34:49  
One thing to think about with the M 5 is if your rear end-transmission is strong enough to take the big horse power and heat. I know an 880 oliver with spur gears plowing day in and day out with a 110 horse waukasha ate the rear end up pretty quick.



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Merlin in Saint Louis

05-04-2007 22:44:55




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 Re: Speaking of Re-powers?? in reply to Shep Va, 05-04-2007 10:34:49  
Hello, Shep! Yes...I have repowered two Molines: a 2-150 White, and a 2655 Oliver. Here is my suggestion: if you want to do this, be SURE to buy a Cummins 4BT WITH the crankcase balancer assembly. An unbalanced 4B will shake the tractor apart. The best installation would be to make an oil pan/frame out of 1/2" and 3/4" steel plate. Use the Moline pan as a pattern. Use the Cummins pan gasket as a pattern to drill the holes in the rails. Then, simply (did I say "simply"?) bolt the welded pan/frame to the engine, and then the entire assembly onto the clutch housing. This is how Deere, Massey, Moline, Ford and nearly everyone else does it. It would make a very nice tractor. I hope this helps!
Merlin

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Shep Va

05-05-2007 18:18:02




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 Re: Speaking of Re-powers?? in reply to Merlin in Saint Louis, 05-04-2007 22:44:55  
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Merlin,

The difference between the M-5 and the 2-150 and 2655 is that this one has no tub to work with. This is a true Moline and currently uses the engine to keep the tractor togeather.

As you can see I have put some 6 inch channel iron on the sides for support for the post driver, and I am thinking I can extend that all the way to the bellhousing and use that as the support for the front end and the engine to hook to.

The biggest issue I can see now is how to hook the Cummins engine to the large bellhousing that this tractor has. I am thinking if I use half inch steel plate and make a "flex plate" like the Waukeshas have it should be strong enough to hold the engine and give some structural support, but I am sure I will run into all kinds of distance issues with the clutch and flywheel.

I will have to look and see if this oil pan hooks to the bottom of the bellhousing like the 585 ci engines do. That is a neat idea about building a new stonger oil pan.

Thanks for the tips Merlin, I will surly take some pictures of this mess if I decide to re-power it.

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gfs

05-05-2007 21:24:17




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 Re: Speaking of Re-powers?? in reply to Shep Va, 05-05-2007 18:18:02  
Shep, you may want to talk with Chuck Lewis out of Indiana, he pulls in the light super class with a MM that has a 5.9 on alcohol. Engine is mated to rear and looks factory. Have a friend that is looking at installing an 8.3 in a G1000 for tractor pulling.



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Jim@concordfarms.

05-04-2007 14:57:49




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 Re: Speaking of Re-powers?? in reply to Shep Va, 05-04-2007 10:34:49  
I've always been curious as to what one of these Cummins repowers costs. Do you have to buy a new crated engine from Cummins, or are there take outs available from rental fleets?



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Shep Va

05-05-2007 18:29:44




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 Re: Speaking of Re-powers?? in reply to Jim@concordfarms., 05-04-2007 14:57:49  
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It is really difficult to tell you exactly what a re-power costs because no two are ever the same, and if you are like me I do a lot of other things while I am there, like repainting, fixing the three speeds, new PTO shafts etc.

I have only used one new Cummins engine, I try to pick up used or rebuilt ones out of tractors, road graders, power units, irrigation systems, or better yet gen sets. I can normally pick up a 5.9 industrial engine for about $4,500 and you will have another $1,500 in parts depending on how the engine is set up.

I figure I have about $8,000 to $10,000 in a good repower, but I have an all new tractor when I am done and the engine will last 10,000 plus hours and has tons more power and tork than origional.

If you are using the tractor for farming, it is cheaper to repower and get the extra power and life then to rebuild the engine that you have. If you are just hobbying around or use the tractor to play with, then you are probably better to rebuild what you have and save some money.

We use our Olivers and Molines pretty hard, and like the reliabilty, easy starting, and power of the Cummins engines much better.

We are running 4 repowers and number 5 and 6 are looming.

Here is the mighty 1850 Cummins repower chopping corn last fall. This tractor is turning 155 HP with a side turbo 5.9L Cummins engine. If you run that tractor all day to the chopper you will hear it in your dreams all night :-)

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