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Super 55 Diesel - a few questions

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MTrim

03-19-2007 11:13:57




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I have a Super 55 Diesel that is smoking some and I have heard that it is possible to removed the oil pan and get access to the pistons. If so, how big a job would it be to replace the rings, and is that advisable? I apologize if this is a dumb question, but the tractor and engine are new to me.

Also, where might I find a set of vinyl cut decals for this tractor?




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MTrim

03-20-2007 15:59:19




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 Re: Super 55 Diesel - a few questions in reply to MTrim, 03-19-2007 11:13:57  
I"ll try this one more time and I really appreciate the responses so far. This is my first "older" diesel tractor and I only have a basic understanding of this engine. I have ordered an operator"s manual and an IT manual.

I ran the tractor again today and it does sound good and drives around just fine, although it does take an inordinate amount of cranking to start, even when warm. The smoke from the exhaust pipe and the side-of-head vent (blow-by)is fairly significant...maybe just as bad at idle, if not worse. When place under moderate load, or upon acceleration, the smoke increases momentarily.

At this point I am strongly considering tearing the thing down so that I can see just what is going on. I"m sure the tractor would run in its current state for some time, but the smoke is annoying. I"m thinking this would be a very good learning experience for a novice...for which a qualify strongly. Please keep the much appreciated comments coming.

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Chief 83

03-19-2007 21:26:19




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 Re: Super 55 Diesel - a few questions in reply to MTrim, 03-19-2007 11:13:57  
I'm about as unskilled as it gets when it comes to these things. I just rebuilt my S55 D and it was really fairly simple. Rings were pretty easy and all my bearings were good. Lots of great help on this site. Parts are fairly easy to get but not cheap...Ask if you need help. I'm certainly not an expert but glad to help if possible. It's payback time!



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MTrim

03-19-2007 14:13:28




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 Re: Super 55 Diesel - a few questions in reply to MTrim, 03-19-2007 11:13:57  
The smoke is grey...sort of hard to describe. The tractor is also smoking out of the relief (by-pass)(?) on the side of the head. It certainly smells like burning oil. I had a friend, who is pretty good on diesels look at it, and he felt it was oil getting past the rings. The tractor is new to me. It runs well, and sounds good. Again, my friend said it sounded good in the lower end.

I haven"t had it long enough to really know it well, but the smoking thing is really bothering me. There is no sign of anything other than oil in the crankcase, and no sign of coolant anywhere other than in the radiator system.

My only other issue would be that it is very hard to start, meaning it seems to have to really crank over for an extended period, and needs a shot of starign fluid when fairly cold. Is that characteristic on these models?

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RAB

03-20-2007 00:17:58




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 Re: Super 55 Diesel - a few questions in reply to MTrim, 03-19-2007 14:13:28  
Depending on the condition of the motor - and we don"t know that - it could just need a good work-out to re-bed the rings, if it has been run around on no load for years. It could be getting worn out generally and need new rings. It could have broken rings (and damaged ring grooves?)if started on a lot of ether in the past. The injection could be too far advanced. The valves might need a job doing on them as well. Might help to use a higher quality oil, can"t tell from this far away! Take note of what John says - he is one fine expert on all these matters.
Regards, RAB

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J Schwiebert

03-19-2007 18:38:53




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 Re: Super 55 Diesel - a few questions in reply to MTrim, 03-19-2007 14:13:28  
I think you have a low compression problem. I don't understand this smoke out the side of the head deal. I will try to send you an e-mail. Later. J.



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AB

03-19-2007 19:35:13




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 Re: Super 55 Diesel - a few questions in reply to J Schwiebert, 03-19-2007 18:38:53  
sounds like he's talking about blow by.



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rrlund

03-19-2007 12:20:47




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 Re: Super 55 Diesel - a few questions in reply to MTrim, 03-19-2007 11:13:57  
Yes,you can get the pan and head off with the engine in. Parts are available and plentiful. Nothing that you are asking is any big deal. You can get decals from Lyle Dumont oliverdecals.com If you need torque specs when you put it back together,just ask. Somebody here will get them out to you right quick.



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RAB

03-19-2007 11:44:13




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 Re: Super 55 Diesel - a few questions in reply to MTrim, 03-19-2007 11:13:57  
Before tearing into it, it would be better to diagnose the problem first.

What colour smoke are you experiencing and under what conditions?

Are the fluid levels correct and stable?

You need to remove the oil pan to gain access to the pistons on most engines. The cylinder head too.

Give us some more information. The problem may be cured without recourse to major surgery.

Regards, RAB



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