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Operating Co-op E3

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Calico Patch

02-13-2007 08:18:31




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I have purchased my Grandfathers 1947 Co-op E3 and had a few questions before I start it up for the first time. To engage or disengage the PTO or the pulley shaft must you engage the clutch? For that year was the PTO live or will it stop if you engage the clutch? There is another short lever with two postion settings near the lever for the pulley shaft...Is this for another range of transmission gears or does it involve the pulley? Thanks for all your help.

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Irv Buttray

02-13-2007 16:54:06




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 Re: Operating Co-op E3 in reply to Calico Patch, 02-13-2007 08:18:31  
If your pto has a long lever that come up behind your right foot then it is a live pto but for that year it may not have a brake ring in it so may drift when running. If the pto is more square looking with a little lever on upper right corner of housing then its a direct drive and clutch must be depressed to engage. The little lever just to rear of your belt pulley is for the 2 speed tranni forward is high and back is low. again clutch must be depressed to move this lever. the other angled lever that goes into belt pulley gear box is to engage and disengage pulley. again the clutch petal must be depressed to move this letter. Questions or help email me

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Calico Patch

02-14-2007 07:21:46




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 Re: Operating Co-op E3 in reply to Irv Buttray, 02-13-2007 16:54:06  
Irv,

Thanks for your reply. My tractor has the long lever behind my right foot. When you mentioned drift does that mean the PTO shaft might turn slowly even when it is not engaged and the tractor is running or after you disengage the PTO it may spin for a little while until the momentum is out? Do I have to depress the clutch before I would move the long level to engage and disengage the PTO? Am I correct in guessing that when the long lever is down or flat that the PTO is not engaged and when the lever is in the up postion that the PTO is engaged?

When the lever to the rear of the belt pulley with the two settings for the transmission is in the back position for low range, am I correct in assuming that 4th gear in this low position is lower than 1st gear when the lever would be in the front postion for high range?

Thanks again for your time answering my questions. It is a big help.

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Irv Buttray

02-14-2007 16:03:51




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 Re: Operating Co-op E3 in reply to Calico Patch, 02-14-2007 07:21:46  
You have a live pto and when you pull lever up it is engaged. because it is live you donot need to depress clutch or stop just pull it up or push it down to shut it off. The early 30's did not have a brake ring enstalled which means that when pto is off the out put shaft does not stop right away and at time may even turn but should not continue to run as if engaged. if this happens you may need to adjust or replace clutch plates in pto. according to the manual ground speeds at about 1650rpm for gears are low 1-4 1.65, 2.4, 2.75, 3.3 mph, High 1-4 are 4.0, 5.5, 6.5, 12.0 mph... rev is 2.1 and 3.5... hope thats what you need. more questions? Irv

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Calico Patch

02-14-2007 19:53:17




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 Re: Operating Co-op E3 in reply to Irv Buttray, 02-14-2007 16:03:51  
Irv,

Do you know of a good place to get parts for the Coop or from what I understand a Cockshutt 30 is the same tractor? I could use a new rubber dust cover for the bottom of the gear shift lever.

Thanks

John



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Irv Buttray

02-15-2007 05:03:01




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 Re: Operating Co-op E3 in reply to Calico Patch, 02-14-2007 19:53:17  
Oliver # BA-916A, I also see them on Ebay but not sure if they are right. Also Phil Heisey has them check for his older post on here for contact info or email me direct and I will give a phone #. I sell some new and used parts but not these. Take the oliver # to AGCO and they should have it.



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Calico Patch

02-15-2007 17:42:32




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 Re: Operating Co-op E3 in reply to Irv Buttray, 02-15-2007 05:03:01  
Irv,

We have an AGCO dealer about 2 miles from our house. I will check to see if they have it. What tractor lines do you have parts for?

Thanks John



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Irv Buttray

02-16-2007 08:54:39




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 Re: Operating Co-op E3 in reply to Calico Patch, 02-15-2007 17:42:32  
I simply collect and restore Cockshutt/CO-OP tractors. its all hobbie but have found the need for parts so I have accumulated quite a bit over the years. I have a few reproduction parts as I needed some and found it was cheaper to have several made then just one. you can email me firect if you desire. [email protected]



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Calico Patch

02-14-2007 18:19:18




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 Re: Operating Co-op E3 in reply to Irv Buttray, 02-14-2007 16:03:51  
Irv,

Thanks for your great replys they were a real help!

Have a great day.

John



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Dave Sherburne NY

02-13-2007 08:49:27




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 Re: Operating Co-op E3 in reply to Calico Patch, 02-13-2007 08:18:31  
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I've got one of those. On mine the it has the independent PTO the lever to engage it comes out of
the PTO housing on the back of the tractor. BUT
believe it or not, there was a PTO on cockshutt
tractors that wasn't independent. My son has one.
When you start it up, just ease the lever in if it grinds the gears don't force it, push the foot
clutch in. With the independent pto it is just clutches engaging no noise. Most Cockshutt/ CO OP
tractors are IPTO. To check the other lever, with the tractor not
running, try turning the Pulley by hand with the
lever in each of the two positions. If it turns
in one position but not the other, it is to engage
the pulley. My tractor doesnt have a pulley or a two speed transmission but it does have IPTO.

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steveormary

02-13-2007 10:17:48




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 Re: Operating Co-op E3 in reply to Dave Sherburne NY, 02-13-2007 08:49:27  
We had a 1948 Cockshutt 30. It had a 4 cyl.Budda engine. IPTO,live hydraulics and the 4x2 transmission.

What engine do you have in your tractors.

steveormary



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Dave Sherburne NY

02-13-2007 13:06:43




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 Re: Operating Co-op E3 in reply to steveormary , 02-13-2007 10:17:48  
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All Cockshutt 30, CO-OP E3 , Gambles Farmcrest 30 and there was another sold in Canade were the same tractor. All had the 4B153 gas engine. Diesel and other engines came out later for these
tractors. I know the CO-OP E3 had a nose strip that said
CO-OP, the Cockshutt said Cockshutt, but I don't
know about the Gambles. Check the link for Cockshutt info. The picture
is my son's Cockshutt 50 plowing last spring.

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