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310 gas walkashaw

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tlp

01-25-2007 18:42:13




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Complete overhaul. What kind of horsepower can I expect? I have been told 105 horse, is this reasonable? Any small tricks to encrease horsepower? Thanks




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B A Star

01-28-2007 23:36:52




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 Re: 310 gas walkashaw in reply to tlp, 01-25-2007 18:42:13  
    A Dyno is a load unit that measures HP using different methods by different makes. On the old M&W's the input shaft drives a hydarulic pump, and the load is applied with a restrictor valve at the output. The gauge that reads HP is simply a pressure gauge. That model does not consider RPM when displaying HP, thus the reading is only correct at rated RPM.  The only way you can read HP at any RPM other than rated is to use the calculating wheel that is provided


    The formula for HP meausred at a rotating shaft is: Torque X RPM divided by 5252.1 = HP.  Let's look at some examples and plug some numbers into the formula.  1200 Ft Lb torque X 540 RPM divided by 5252.1 = 113 HP.  Lets pull the engine down that was running at 2400 RPM to 1800, the PTO shaft is now turning at 405 RPM.   If we still have the same amount of torque the number would be: 1200 Ft Lb Torque X 405 RPM divided by 5252.1 = 92.5 Hp.


    Now work the formula backwards.  If we still have the same power, 113 HP X 5252.1 divided by 405 RPM and the torque would = 1465 Ft Lb.  Thus we would need a increase in torque from 1200 to 1465 for constant HP.  In a gas tractor you won't see a lot of rise in torque = rise in HP. You gain some from the fact that everything slows down, like the hydraulic pump, engine fan and generator, less drag in the powertrain & etc.


    The modern dyno's with the digital displays will show Ft Lb of torque, RPM and Horsepower.  Current dyno's the input shaft drives a brake drum.  Brake shoes are applied with a torque arm that can be calculated by the operator for correctness.  You can see the increase in torque and Hp on the display.  The current engines have progressed to the point that they develope a lot more HP at reduced RPM due to huge increases in torque rise.  It took a lot of time and $ to get them to where they are today.

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tlp

01-27-2007 19:02:42




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 Re: 310 gas walkashaw in reply to tlp, 01-25-2007 18:42:13  
I guess what Im talking about is torque rise. But a dyno doesn't read torque. Am I makeing sense now?



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tlp

01-27-2007 16:02:23




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 Re: 310 gas walkashaw in reply to tlp, 01-25-2007 18:42:13  
J Schwieber; I'm talking about when a tractor is on a dyno and you have 98 horse at rated rpm 2400. Then you pull it down to 2000 rpm your horse power reading on the dyno will go up to what, any guess? Thanks for your input.



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J Schwiebert

01-28-2007 19:16:08




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 Re: 310 gas walkashaw in reply to tlp, 01-27-2007 16:02:23  
Oh Boy: We didn't sell that many 310 powered gas tractors and it has been over 30 years since I worked for a dealer so right now I don't remember. Let me guess this is for pulling? What all do you have in mind? I guess you are looking for more torque. J.



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J Schwiebert

01-27-2007 18:30:01




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 Re: 310 gas walkashaw in reply to tlp, 01-27-2007 16:02:23  
Correct: Your horsepower reading goes up. HOWEVER your horsepower does NOT. This is where torque rise comes in. You with me now. Also remember temperature and moisture in the air affect horsepower readings. That is why official readings are corrected to a set temperature and barometer reading. Your turn. J.



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J Schwiebert

01-27-2007 13:15:45




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 Re: 310 gas walkashaw in reply to tlp, 01-25-2007 18:42:13  
At 2000 RPM you will have less horsepower. Are you talking bare engine horsepower here or what? M & W had a 3-15/16 set for the shorter stroke 265 & 283 gas engines. J.



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larry h

01-26-2007 16:48:56




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 Re: 310 gas walkashaw in reply to tlp, 01-25-2007 18:42:13  
we rebuild them all the time about 98 hp is what you will get unless you shave heads and do a lot of machine work which is not cheap



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IA Farmer

01-26-2007 19:42:43




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 Re: 310 gas walkashaw in reply to larry h , 01-26-2007 16:48:56  
Larry,
What do you do to get 98hp? Can you still get 3 15/16 sleeves and pistons? Where? Thanks.



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tlp

01-27-2007 10:00:32




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 Re: 310 gas walkashaw in reply to IA Farmer, 01-26-2007 19:42:43  
If I HAVE 98hp at rated rpm. What should we have at say 2000 rpm.What is this about 3 15/16 inch. bore. All I could find is 3 7/8 inch. bore. Thanks!



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