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Opinions on 1650

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Ohiohills

01-21-2007 14:13:05




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Here"s my situation... I have 320 acres of hilly land in SE Ohio where about 60 of these acres are hillsides that are not wooded but are too steep to cultivate - basically pasture, but this pasture (no livestock) is growing up in brush and multi-floral roses.

I"ve been trying to keep ahead of this brush with a MF-240 and a 6ft brush hog. Not very successful - I need a bigger brush hog (8ft) and thus a bigger tractor (55-65hp). I have the opportunity to buy a 1965 model Oliver 1650 gas tractor with loader for about $7k. It is 2 WD and has a utility front axle and can be widened somewhat. Operating hours are unknown due to faulty hourmeter. Tractor looks pretty good and seems to run OK, but I"m not sure this is the right machine or price for the application. So, some questions for you Oliver experts:
1) How good a tractor is the 1650 gas and does it have any chronic problems?
2) How stable is this tractor on hillsides? It seems to me to sit a little high.
3) What is a Hydra-Power transmission?
4) Is there a better model (ie. lower profile & newer model) Oliver for this application in the 50-65hp range?

Thanks

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newter haven

01-23-2007 20:44:19




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 Re: Opinions on 1650 in reply to Ohiohills, 01-21-2007 14:13:05  
offer them four thousand, take the loader off, spread the wheels, you can run on almost anything. Don't be scared to pull a ten foot semi mount brush hog behind this machine. I've pulled a fifteen foot brush hog behind my narrow front 880 on a pond dam with a three to one slope. If your ground is steeper than that you could put on duals to insure more stability. What I'm saying is don't be to scared , weight on the tongue is a good thing on a slope but remember what John said she free wheels in the low side this can catch you off gaurd if your not used to it. WE have a gas 1850 which is not to far from what your looking at gave 2500 seventeen years ago (gosh it goes buy fast!!!) still have it, it's pulled that same fifteen footer the 880 pulled, no problem. If you like the tractor see what they'll come down to, remember asking and getting is two different things. Good luck!@

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thhill

01-22-2007 08:54:33




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 Re: Opinions on 1650 in reply to Ohiohills, 01-21-2007 14:13:05  
Spray and kill the brush and Multifloral rose and Kill it or youll never get done.
Be very careful on a slope.if a tire falls in a hole ya could tip any style over. 4000 would be abetter price for it.
Weve pulled a 707 JD 1000 rpm with ours but its a load in tall grass and weeds.Go slow.



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Hard Knocks

01-22-2007 05:29:39




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 Re: Opinions on 1650 in reply to Ohiohills, 01-21-2007 14:13:05  
I have a 1650 diesel Wheatland and I pull a 10'
bush hog with it all over some very steep,hilly land here and its a very stable tractor.For a gasser though the tractor you're looking at is way overpriced in my opinion.



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ohio dick

01-21-2007 21:19:15




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 Re: Opinions on 1650 in reply to Ohiohills, 01-21-2007 14:13:05  
I have a 1650 and some steep pasture i would look for alower profile tractor. It gets a little nervus going around hills.I am just north of you in carroll county harison township.



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Bo Bradshaw

01-21-2007 20:34:02




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 Re: Opinions on 1650 in reply to Ohiohills, 01-21-2007 14:13:05  
How about a different way to skin the cat? I pull a self propelled 5 foot mower behind my 6 foot mower thereby covering about 10 plus feet in one pass and use a 34 horse tractor! 2 or 3 outfits make these mowers including Fisher. BO



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super99

01-21-2007 15:56:59




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 Re: Opinions on 1650 in reply to Ohiohills, 01-21-2007 14:13:05  
I have to agree with Jon, he knows his Olivers. Unless it is a nearly new loader, I think it is priced high. I also question going to a 8 ft mower over a 6 ft, not gaining much. Is this land fenced? I would think that some one with cattle would rent this and then you wouldn't have to mow it all, just knock down the MFrose. If its that steep, I think I would want something I could set wheel as wide as possible for stability, maybe even duals on rear and a wider mower 10 or 12 ft. You said it had a utility front end. To me that is set back farther under the tractor than a regular wide front and I would think that would make it less stable but would turn shorter. It's a gas, can you take spark plugs out and run a compression test? That would give you a pretty good idea what condition motor is in. My 2 cents, Chris

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J Schwiebert

01-21-2007 14:38:12




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 Re: Opinions on 1650 in reply to Ohiohills, 01-21-2007 14:13:05  
The answer to one is "Good"
The answer to two, don't have a clue, if it varies more than a foot in am ile here it is unusual in other words this is table top flat here.
The answer to three the hydrapower gives you underdrive in each gear, HOWEVER it free wheels in low so for you use it only when going up hill. it is a trouble free drive.
The answer to the question without the number. It is very over priced. The answer to the last question how many hours a year will you use it?
We chop a couple hundred acres of wheat stubble each year, 14 foot chopper and I do 40 acres easy each day. So 8 foot model would do 20 acres easy in a day sowhat else are you going to use the tractor for? I am also a diesel man. I am not sure what a gas tractor looks like. Where in Ohio? I am in Ohio also. J.

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Ohiohills

01-21-2007 15:27:40




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 Re: Opinions on 1650 in reply to J Schwiebert, 01-21-2007 14:38:12  
Located in Harrison County, about 5 miles west of Cadiz. Pretty area, but really hilly. I lease most of the tillable land and the wooded areas are timbered on a regular cycle. The pastures are unused so other than brush hogging and some general front loader work the tractor won"t see much action. Other than the MF-240, that will be sold if I buy something bigger, I"ve got several smaller tractors for general trailer work etc. (Oliver 66 and a Ford 8N). If your area is "table flat" you must be in NW Ohio!

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J Schwiebert

01-21-2007 19:05:45




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 Re: Opinions on 1650 in reply to Ohiohills, 01-21-2007 15:27:40  
Yes 37 miles from the Indiana state line and about the same from Michigan. I worked in Michigan. J.



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evielboweviel

01-21-2007 17:57:12




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 Re: Opinions on 1650 in reply to Ohiohills, 01-21-2007 15:27:40  
in my opion it would be as stable as your 66 is now. I own both and have been on hillsides with both. Personally my 66 pulls a 80" hog nicely, used to pull a 100" Ford hog when my grandfather owned it. Was rebuilt with big sleeves and a bigger clutch.
either the 66 or 1650 with duals and fluid in the tires would be good for what you want
That is too much money for a 1650 gas. IF it was a late model diesel, one owner, less than 5000 hours, original paint, good to new rear tires, loader not beat up or welded on, then it would be fair to high price
Ron

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Jeff Oliver

01-21-2007 18:34:06




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 Re: Opinions on 1650 in reply to evielboweviel, 01-21-2007 17:57:12  
I don't know what kind of grass ya'll have there but here in Northwest tn I don't think we would be pulling a 8 ft brushhog with a 66. heck we got a JD 6300 and a 6210 and the 8ft is all they want in some places.

Now the 9ft disc hay mowers is a different story.



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evielboweviel

01-22-2007 04:33:14




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 Re: Opinions on 1650 in reply to Jeff Oliver, 01-21-2007 18:34:06  
100" was hogging off pastures with it.
back around the pond cuting twice a year and no livestock the 80" is all it wants
Ron



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evielboweviel

01-21-2007 18:00:23




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 Re: Opinions on 1650 in reply to evielboweviel, 01-21-2007 17:57:12  
forgot to add my diesel pulled a 14 foot hog before I bought it from my Uncle
Canal Winchester, Ohio 15 miles SE of Columbus, Ohio
Ron



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