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WFE

12-09-1999 14:21:25

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For those of you who haven't already heard the unfortunate news, AGCO announced yesterday that it is permanently closing the Coldwater, Ohio tractor production facility. Thus comes an end to nearly a century of tractor mass production on U.S. soil by the companies that carried on the legacy begun by Charles Hart and Charles Parr at the turn of the century. Production of the White planter line will, allegedly, move to the HFI complex in Kansas. The big hp White tractor line will be integrated with production of similar size Allis and Massey tractors, as before, but will reportedly move to the AGCO facility in France, symbolizing the end of an era in U.S. tractor production by the founders of the tractor industry.

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highboyford

12-09-1999 18:51:51

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Re: End of another era in reply to WFE, 12-09-1999 14:21:25

Wow oh well what can anyone expect anymore.I wonder if this will ever end,talking about good paying jobs and products moving out of the country.Starting to understand why a few were protesting the wto talks.Maybe a 50%tariff should be added to any product made or thought up in the country that gets moved out at a latter date.Not against other countries making money but if we keep losing good jobs what will we do to support our way of living.Alot of things are wrong C.E.Os are over paid(alot make more than U.S President) and very few are ending up with the most wealth oh well life goes on I doubt Hart and Parr ever thought their tractors would ever be transfered out of the states.

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JD-8

12-11-1999 18:54:26

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Re: Re: Re: End of another era in reply to MAJ, 12-10-1999 06:23:34

I agree with you, MAJ. I'm just beginning to farm and I have some great ambitions that I don't want the government of that country called USA interfering with. As a citizen of that country I do my share to vote and to try to inform and persuade my neighbours friends and aquaintances regarding the issues at hand. This has been an interesting 223 year experiment that is about to see a tragic end, I fear. If we could just gather together the twenty million or so good conservative, straight-thinking people with morals in this nation, and begin a new one, imagine how well we could do! With divine guidance, of course. Well, I'm sorry to see this factory headed out of home, too. I'm telling you, in twenty years we'll be just like poor Australia, only with twenty times as many people. I was there three years ago, and what I saw still gives me the creeps to think that we might become like them-- up a creek without a paddle, without even a glimmer of hope on the horizon, depending on a government that has smiled at us as they stabbed us in the back unto death.

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MAJ

12-11-1999 20:10:49

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Re: Re: Re: Re: End of another era in reply to JD-8, 12-11-1999 18:54:26

Amen, finally a few others that see things Like I do. I was given the choice to being farming the same land as a 4th generation farmer near Minneapolis, (55 miles) but have chosen to start from scratch further west, away from the husstle & bustle of the people of the cities. it will be much harder, but here in the dakotas there are more conservative people that have similar interests, & the LAST thing they want is someone else telling them (us) what to to. I fear what might or will happen in this country in the next couple decades, but if we don't stand up for whats left of the rights the founding fathers gave us, they will all be gone. & I hate to say it, but that will be the day I will no longer be an American, as well as many other with the same views.

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Dave

12-10-1999 08:03:50

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Re: Re: Re: End of another era in reply to MAJ, 12-10-1999 06:23:34

MAJ; what do you mean "the farmers could live very comfortably". How do they comfortable on $1.60 corn???? They connot pass on costs like industry does!!

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MAJ

12-10-1999 20:19:42

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Re: Re: Re: Re: End of another era in reply to Dave, 12-10-1999 08:03:50

I mean that if farmers take control, we will live confortably, because we will get far more than 1.60/bu for corn. When people are hungry, they'll give anything they hav efor food. I'm afraid that it will come to this in this country in the next several decades. As long as I am on the land, I'll be able to feed me & mine, & hopefully some others as well, but I pity those in the Cities, that will starve to death. & I'm dead serious, & it's scary, especially now that we have a 10 month old baby boy.

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Tom S.

12-11-1999 16:08:48

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: End of another era in reply to MAJ, 12-10-1999 20:19:42

Where I live those people in the city have already come out and taken over the land we all used to farm. I am one of the few left who has over a whole acre for a lot. Most are 1/4 acre and less. The people keep telling me thats progress, and a sign of prosperiety, and try hard to force me to move by TAXing me off my land. They keep telling me I am holding too much, and need to change and will become RICH if I let them have it. I pity them. But like you, I am afraid of them at the same time. The only thing these yuppie consumers know is how to consume. I do live comfortably, and have grown to adjust to all my new neighbors, their teenage kids, and their dogs. But I never get to know them very well, because they never stay long enough to become vested in the community, and are always on the move. The real estate agents and developers keep telling me thats another sign of prosperiety. I do not know just how much longer I can stay here. I am afraid that one of these days when the supermarket food chain these people live from becomes broken, they will simply come and take mine. They are already trying, and it's not just watermellons out of my garden. I have to resort to taking the front wheels off some of my equipment. Tom S.

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John

12-12-1999 18:59:52

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: End of another era in reply to Tom S., 12-11-1999 16:08:48

Urban sprawl is going to destroy the rural way of life Here in northeast Ohio good farmland in being consumed by housing developments at unbelievable speed. But how can anyone stay in business when the corn is at $1.60 and developers are selling 1a housing lots for $105,000?!?!?! And they don't want to build on the hilly land that is poor for agriculture, they want the best open land available. They push and push and push and then build and build. Then all the yuppies living in the new $300,000 houses get upset because of the traffic congestion that they create when they all try to drive into the cities in their BMWs. So guess what comes next?? More highway expansion! And that takes up more land. Small towns? What are those? You can't tell where one town ends and the next begins. It breaks my heart to know that my kids will never know the type of life that I grew up with. But like it has always been - the big money wins.

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highboyford

12-12-1999 22:32:04

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: End of another era in reply to John, 12-12-1999 18:59:52

Hey dont worry we have the same problem here in Illinois.Makes you wonder where the food will come from in 20 to 50 years.Maybe we will have food factories that make plastic food to eat like fruit roll ups and steak will only be for the super fat rich guys.see it now "dad whats a cow"

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12-14-1999 09:45:41

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: End of another era in reply to highboyford, 12-12-1999 22:32:04

If CA. was it's own country, it would be the third largest exporter of agicultral goods in the world. As long as people like us have an intrerst in these older machines not all is lost yet. The problem with this god damb country is we are changing from a nation of do, to a nation of say so get off your computer, your lazy ass and go DO something. Talking about it never solves anything. Trust me I know I work for the goverment.

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Tom S.

12-15-1999 07:04:33

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: End of another era in reply to CS, 12-14-1999 09:45:41

The same govt that brings us the IRS and the postal service? I have worked for the govt too! Tom S.

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MAJ

12-09-1999 17:58:28

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Re: End of another era in reply to WFE, 12-09-1999 14:21:25

this is sad, but does not bother me too much, as I will never buy anything that doesn't say Oliver, Cockshutt, or most importantly Minneapolis Moline on it. with $1.60 corn, nobosy can paper out a new tractor. especially those like me trying to start farming. with my Z, UTS-S-Special, M602 & G1000 I can do about anything for a fraction of the cost of newer Iron.

White started on the down hill slump as soon as the closed the Hopkins (MM) facility. Charles City was nice, but they screwed the workers there as well.

The Problem is the "BIG" corporations control everything, and are just trying to use us little people as pawns in their quest for riches. just my 2 cents worth

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MAJ

12-09-1999 15:24:35

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Re: End of another era in reply to WFE, 12-09-1999 14:21:25

White started on the down hill slump as soon as the closed the Hopkins (MM) facility. Charles City was nice, but they screwed the workers there as well.

The Problem is the "BIG" corporations control everything, and are just trying to use us little people as pawns in their quest for riches. just my 2 cents worth

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Mongo

12-09-1999 15:14:05

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Re: End of another era in reply to WFE, 12-09-1999 14:21:25

Last American out...bring the flag.

I think I am starting to see a trend here...Hmmmm...

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