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Danny Tabor

12-29-2006 21:16:35

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After reading Cal Innes post I started wondering how the new "no sulfur" fuel is effecting farmers. Are any of you mixing biodiesel with your fuel for lubrication? I've heard of some problems involving older trucks where the new fuel was blamed but haven't heard anything with the older tractors. Just wondering?

Danny Tabor

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Field Boss Driver

01-01-2007 04:45:45

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Re: OT/ no sulfer fuel in reply to Danny Tabor, 12-29-2006 21:16:35

This new low sulfer fuel is nothing other than Kerosene.
I used to drive for a fuel Co. We delivered K-1 Kero to New Jersey Transit. That was all they would run in the busses. I do not know if they would add an addative or not,but,I never heard anyone at the garage say if they did.
Just alittle more information for everyone to use.

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Leob

01-01-2007 03:47:24

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Re: OT/ no sulfer fuel in reply to Danny Tabor, 12-29-2006 21:16:35

I have heard the same thing in NC. My friend which works at an injection shop reccommended the Stanadyne diesel conditioner. I hope that suffices. Pumps are too expensive to have them failing.

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fort67

12-30-2006 16:09:08

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Re: OT/ no sulfer fuel in reply to Danny Tabor, 12-29-2006 21:16:35

Have a freind in a diesel injection shop. They are swamped with pumps because the low sulfur fuel is basically drying them out from lack of lubrication and causing premature wear. all the new parts are hardened to military spec. and cost is more. What else is new. Just what the technician told me.

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Danny Tabor

12-30-2006 22:51:46

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Re: OT/ no sulfer fuel in reply to fort67, 12-30-2006 16:09:08

I've heard the same thing but now with the ultra low sulfur fuel it seems trucks are burning pistons. Atleast many are turning up at the diesel shops I frequent. My thought as I stated below is that maybe bio would help prevent this. Having said that, we have been testing bio on my brothers 93 Dodge. Over the summer he burned B-100 as a result of it we ended up replacing all the rubber fuel lines with steel. The bio softened the rubber causing it to leak. Also it has really done a job on the fuel pump hose. This makes me wonder what it would do to the seals in the pump and injectors, although thus far we haven't had any trouble. I don't have any diesel tractors anymore to test on. My poor brother!!!!! He's a firm believer in bio though.

Danny Tabor

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thhill

12-30-2006 08:24:46

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Re: OT/ no sulfer fuel in reply to Danny Tabor, 12-29-2006 21:16:35

I quit running the soy blend deisel for the winter because it could give trouble in extreme cold. But the Ruby the coop has ,has plenty of lubricity. Adding the soy just to use up soybeans.

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J Schwiebert

12-30-2006 08:22:39

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Re: OT/ no sulfer fuel in reply to Danny Tabor, 12-29-2006 21:16:35

What is an older tractor? I see failures with newer stuff. Two tractors with 8.3 Cummins, one grey one red, International engines in Ford pick ups and IH trucks where poor fuel maintenance(water) blew the tips right off the end of the fuel injectors. I have a picture of a prototype Oliver diesel taken before 1949 that had inward opening fuel injectors, probably 800 psi opening pressure, now you have pressure close to 20000 psi. Clearances are smaller and fuel care becomes much more important. My 2 cents worth. Happy New Year. J.

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Danny Tabor

12-30-2006 16:20:33

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Re: OT/ no sulfer fuel in reply to J Schwiebert, 12-30-2006 08:22:39

Thank you Mr.Schwiebert, I have to wonder if maybe I asked this question a little to early. My neighbor, a dairy farmer still gets high sulfur fuel containing sulfur in the .5% to 2% range. This amount of sulfur will give the fuel an HFRR rating of about 300-390.

On highway fuel a few years back they had reduced the sulfur (low sulfur fuel) cannot contain more than .05% of sulfur. It has an HFRR rating of about 350 to 500. When this came out many trucks would fill the crank case with fuel. The new fuel seemed to eat up certain type seal material. This fuel is still available. Although 07 and later engines cannot use it.

Now being introduced is the ultra low sulfur fuel (no sulfur fuel) cannot contain more than .0015% sulfur. It has an HFRR rating of 600 to 800. There have been a few cases I've heard that this fuel is giving engines both pump and injector problems. The thought I have is maybe this fuel is thinner (4 lack of better words) and thus not spraying from the injector correctly. This fuel has only been introduced in my area recently. It is to be like unleaded gas and will gradually take the place of low sulfur fuel. I thought maybe they had changed off road diesel along with the highway use stuff but I suppose I'm wrong. I hope they don't anyway but if they do my thought was maybe running 30% bio would help it. I'm still not totally sold on burning 100% bio.

___HFRR is the standard for measuring the lubricity of fuel the lower number showing the better lubricity than the higher number.
A happy and prosperous New Year to you as well,
Danny Tabor

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J Schwiebert

12-31-2006 08:43:09

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Re: OT/ no sulfer fuel in reply to Danny Tabor, 12-30-2006 16:20:33

Two of the engines I mentioned failed pistons also. Why well in those two the one had a stuck pintle in the tip causing excess fuel to enter the cylinder causes excess heat causing the failure of the piston. The other one if you blow the end off the tip and then dump almost an uncontolled amount of fuel that is not broken up in small particles it causes excessive heat. Also most companies frown on a percentage higher than B-20. Other than that I have not done any research on this for the last 6 month. Happy New Year!. Also new beans being contracted around here for close to $7.00 for next fall is going to raise the price of bio fuel as well. J.

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