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Shep Va

12-15-2006 08:25:54




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OK, I think I figured out what the problem is. I have the wrong darn pump.

I have a 20-7130065 external oil pump on the G-1355 with no provision for the hydraulic pump.

I need a 30-3305406 oil pump with an adaptor and a 30-3312151 coupler according to the service bulliton.

I found the adaptor, but I need another oil pump and a coupler to make this work.

Anyone got one laying around somewhere. I am snooping in the junkyards now. Any help guys??

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J Schwiebert

12-15-2006 13:23:19




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 Re: 585 engine continues in reply to Shep Va, 12-15-2006 08:25:54  
Shep: Describe this coupler to me: For what its worth there are a lot of pump companies that have "piggy back" hydraulic pumps and in a sense that is what you have. Maybe all you need is a not too common standard pump coupler. I hope both of your pumps are splined. J.



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Shep Va

12-15-2006 13:31:59




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 Re: 585 engine continues in reply to J Schwiebert, 12-15-2006 13:23:19  
Yeah, that would be too easy if they were both splined. If that was the case I could easily have one made.

Dont think I can really describe it, I have never seen one.

The engine oil pump will be splined but the hydraulic pump is tapered and keyed to fit a gear. I am trying to figure out if I can put another shaft in the hydraulic pump or if I can maybe weld a shaft to the hydraulic pump and have a sliding spline for the engine pump.

Not sure yet, I am still trying to find the part I need, but I may end up fabricating something.

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J Schwiebert

12-15-2006 14:51:10




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 Re: 585 engine continues in reply to Shep Va, 12-15-2006 13:31:59  
What is the model and maufacture of the hydraulic pump? J.



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MikeOwi

12-15-2006 11:51:41




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 Re: 585 engine continues in reply to Shep Va, 12-15-2006 08:25:54  
Hey Shep, I think I missed something. Why are you trying to put two pumps off the engine. I just purchased an G1355 and while checking it out, it had only one pump on the engine for the external engine oil service while the hydraulic pump was located under the operators left foot like my other Olivers. Are you doing something different or did I miss something. I thought the G1350 would have had two pumps located as you describe.

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Shep Va

12-15-2006 13:01:32




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 Re: 585 engine pump story. in reply to MikeOwi, 12-15-2006 11:51:41  
I think I found a pump, thanks guys...

Ok here is the looonnnngggg story of my pumps..

Mike, The earlier 55 series tractors, 1855, 1755, G-1355, G-955, etc.. had either a belt driven hydraulic circulator pump or a gear driven pump that moved the hydraulic oil from the main pump to the oil cooler and back to the holding tank. These tractors all had the normal hydraulic pump under your left foot like yours, but have to have another pump to move the oil, a closed center hydraulic system does not flow oil normally and has to have a means to move oil to the cooler. The later tractors (like yours??) have a G-roter pump that is located in behind the main pump to move the oil. It is small enough you dont even know it is there until you take the main pump off and normally works very well, but is not easily adaptable to a tractor without this pump, the inside gears are backwards (ask me how I know...)

Soooo, I have a G-1355 with an internal engine oil pump that I am changing to an external engine oil pump because my block got trashed and I am using a 2-150 block, and the internal pumps are not very reliable on this engine. The external engine oil pump goes on the left side of the engine in the back of the front cover at the front. Guess what?? My gear drive hydraulic oil circulator pump sits there.

Not a problem, MM made a retro fit for this with a service bulliton in 1977 or so. Simple fix, get a "piggy back" engine oil pump that will allow the hydraulic pump to mount to the back of the engine oil pump with an adapter and a coupler.

Big problem, they didnt make many of those, and they are not an AgCo part number any longer.

Good news, Evertte Brothers just happen to have one laying around, at least the pump part. Now I just need to find a coupler or try to make one.

Whew, I shoulda put a Cummins in this tractor after all.... :-)

It will be a mean looking and running tractor when it gets done, it has just been a long process with this big engine. I think I got in over my head with this one, but it will be almost all new when finished and is still cheaper than a new 180HP tractor. That is what I keep telling myself anyway :-(

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TEXAS OLIVER CONNECTION

12-15-2006 11:48:16




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 Re: 585 engine continues in reply to Shep Va, 12-15-2006 08:25:54  
here's a website with a lot of mm part suppliers---you may have seen it, but if not, maybe it will help
kent

http://www.minneapolis-moline.com/parts.html



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FormerlyPaMike

12-15-2006 09:35:52




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 OT- MinnMolines For Sale in reply to Shep Va, 12-15-2006 08:25:54  
Hey shep,
Do you get Lancaster Farming down there? I was looking through mine the other week and I saw someone with a huge collection of Oliver and Minn Moline tractors that they are selling. A couple of FWA tractors in the mix. It was pretty interesting.



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Shep Va

12-15-2006 11:10:57




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 Re: OT- MinnMolines For Sale in reply to FormerlyPaMike, 12-15-2006 09:35:52  
Yeah, I have almost ruined that paper from drooling over it. :-) That is quite a collection of Molines and some real rare ones too. I would love to have that G-900 4x4, but I imagine it has a nice price tag to go with it. Oh well, I am still trying to get the G-1355 to run after over a year of it being broke down. It appears that this pump I need is about as rare as finding a UDLX moline for sale..... probably about as pricy too....

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