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Oliver Getting Oil In Coolant

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R Walton

12-02-2006 21:36:01




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I need some help. I have a 1755 that was repowered with a 354 Perkins engine. It is putting oil in the radiator. No coolant is getting into the crankcase. This does not have the original oil cooler on the front of the engine, someone has used a cooler similar to the hydraulic cooler up in front of the radiator. No coolant runs through it, only oil. Nobody seems to know how oil could be getting into the coolant. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

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JMcConnell

12-05-2006 07:17:36




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 Re: Oliver Getting Oil In Coolant in reply to R Walton, 12-02-2006 21:36:01  
THe hole that I'm talking about is smaller around than a pencil and I'm not sure if a crack would show up by magnufluxing or not.What we ended up doing was drilling it out alittle and fitting it with a small piece of metal brake line wich acted as a sleeve.I was assisted with this by a good oliver mech. who had run into it before(I would have NEVER figured it out on my own)I was actually hoping maybe someone else reading these posts might have run into this and have more info for you, but this was our experience. Good luck.

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olidlr

12-04-2006 16:10:40




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 Re: Oliver Getting Oil In Coolant in reply to R Walton, 12-02-2006 21:36:01  
This might be a little extreme, but I had three 1850s that had the same problem. Our service territory rep told me that when perkins drilled the horizontal oil galleries they would go from the back halfway and from the front halfway and where the two drill holes persay, met, they would crack there, which would push oil into the water jacket. The only way I could find it was to pull the pan, pressurise water system to sixty lbs. Then you could see it. Just my two cents.

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R Walton

12-04-2006 16:45:13




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 Re: Oliver Getting Oil In Coolant in reply to olidlr, 12-04-2006 16:10:40  
I have had this head into a machine shop and magnafluxed. Is it possible that the crack is so small that they could have missed it?? When you pressurize the cooling system, wouldn't the engine need to be hot ?? Thanks for the help.



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J McConnell

12-04-2006 08:37:25




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 Re: Oliver Getting Oil In Coolant in reply to R Walton, 12-02-2006 21:36:01  
I had the same thing happening on an 1850/perkins, it turned out to be a small crack in the head were the oil goes up through to the rocker arms.I would first check everything else,but I thought I would mention our experiance for what it's worth. I can explain more if you are interested, good luck.



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J Schwiebert

12-03-2006 05:20:57




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 Re: Oliver Getting Oil In Coolant in reply to R Walton, 12-02-2006 21:36:01  
I have seen this problem before. Two different tractors, two different problems. First of all where did this 354 Perkins engine orignate? Remember Perkins was an engine builder and there are many variations. If you don't know that, how about an engine build number? This would be good anyway. Save me some time looking all this stuff up. Also how about your phone number? How much money do you want to put into this project if the problem is caused by the major problem? Do you know anyone with an Irontite pressure tester? How good is your shop? J.

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R Walton

12-03-2006 08:21:09




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 Re: Oliver Getting Oil In Coolant in reply to J Schwiebert, 12-03-2006 05:20:57  
J, thanks for the reply. I bought the tractor with the Perkins already in it. Where the casting # is on the head is a MF, so I"m assuming it is a Massey Ferguson. The only number that I can see, because of the frame (haven"t pulled the engine yet) is 22835B. In front of this number is either NC or NO. If this is not the # you need, let me know where to look and how many digits. The how much money question does not sound good. My cell # is 214-616-5079. Thanks for your help.

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Larry from md

12-03-2006 10:35:07




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 Re: Oliver Getting Oil In Coolant in reply to R Walton, 12-03-2006 08:21:09  
Sounds like you could have a combine engine,the serial number is near the base of the injector pump



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R Walton

12-03-2006 16:25:44




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 Re: Oliver Getting Oil In Coolant in reply to Larry from md, 12-03-2006 10:35:07  
Thanks Larry, This number was below the starter. I'll have to check below the pump. Hard to see, the Perkins fills the tub from rail to rail. I've had a heck of a time with this motor. When I bought this tractor I found out it was putting oil in the radiator. No problem, I figured it was the head gasket. Pulled the head, had it magna-fluxed and checked for straightness. No cracks, but it was warped a little. Ah-ha theres my problem. Machine shop planed it, and checked everything else out. Installed new headgasket, put head back on, flushed system twice. Rolled hay for about 4 hours, oil ontop of anti-freeze again. I figured it was left over residue. Flushed twice more. Used tractor to pull batwing mower on pastures. After another day, plenty of oil back in radiator. Now I'm back to square one. Is it possible the block could have been warped as well?? Thanks

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R Walton

12-03-2006 20:46:02




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 Re: Oliver Getting Oil In Coolant in reply to R Walton, 12-03-2006 16:25:44  
Hey Guys, The number below the pump is 354U3546. I have an extra Perkins block and the number on it is 354UA35847. John, I tried e-mailing you, but it kept bouncing back. Maybe I wrote it down wrong. My e-mail is [email protected].



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